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Overview of the main driver assistance systems

16 September 2019

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What is a driver assistance system?

Driver assistance systems relieve the driver of the task of driving, offer more comfort and increase safety. In an emergency, a driver assistance system can even take control of the car. Liability for the task of driving always remains with the driver.

Status Quo driver assistance systems

Currently, driver assistance systems act as practical support: Sensors capture information on – for example, speed limits – the distance to other vehicles and lane markings. Also, GPS and navigation system data feeds into the processing. Thanks to this data, audio signals or visual displays can warn against potentially hazardous situations.

However, there are already more advanced systems that not only warn you but also actively help you manage the vehicle if necessary or preferred. Some driver assistance systems brake, accelerate or perform active steering movements to avoid an accident or take the strain off the driver, for instance in critical or monotonous driving situations. Other systems assist you with maneuvering or parking.

Overview of driver assistance systems

Hill start assist Road sign recognition Emergency brake assist Steering and lane guidance assist Cruise control Distance control Speed limit assist Lane-change warning & lane-change assist Parking assist    

How does hill start assist work?

You’ll certainly know this situation well: You’re driving up a hill and shortly before the peak, you need to stop. When starting with a manual gearbox, you press the clutch and take your foot off the brake to accelerate. What happens at this exact moment? You roll back. Hill start assist – or simply start assist – should prevent exactly this. When the driver disengages the brake, the rear axle secures the vehicle for a short time. When starting the driver assistant releases this once more.

Benefits: This driver assistance system is certainly not indispensable for the safe operation of a vehicle as with sufficient experience you can avoid tricky situations yourself. The assistance system can nevertheless make starting on extreme gradients, or with an additional trailing load, more pleasant.

What added value does road sign recognition offer?

When you’re in slow-moving traffic it’s often difficult to devote your full attention to everything that is happening. The road layout, oncoming traffic, speed restrictions, what’s happening beside you as well as behind you: A driver has to bear all this in mind. Road sign recognition can relieve you from this with help of a camera system which scans road signs and represents the processed data on the display. Accordingly, the road signs are displayed directly on your screen. Often this system is contained within other driver assistance systems such as the right of way warner, the wrong way assistant or speed limit info.

Benefits: For accurate results, the driver assistance system is able to take into account and process various data sources such as recognised road signs, navigation devices and current vehicle data. Road sign recognition offers you increased safety and comfort during your journey by providing you with information i.e. right of way rules. You can concentrate on the traffic better without having to constantly gaze at the forest of signposts.

How does emergency brake assist work?

Emergency brake assist warns about the risk of collision and, where appropriate, brings the vehicle to a complete stop before it results in a crash with an obstruction, a person or another vehicle. Sensors measure the current speed and distance of the car ahead or the static obstruction (e.g. a person). Depending on the system, cyclists can also be identified. Acoustic warning signals are complemented by visual displays. Prior to emergency braking the driver assistance system calculates the optimal braking power and the resulting necessary braking pressure. This computed pressure is, depending on the system, independently transmitted by the assistant into an automatic brake, or only then applied when you press the brake pedal. A further development of brake assist is avoidance manoeuvre assistance: In order to avoid a collision, this system actively supports the driver with an evasive manoeuvre.

Benefits: Emergency brake assist offers many advantages: Drivers are often careless, distracted, find themselves in chaotic circumstances or underestimate the distance to the vehicle ahead. This brake assist can, at the very least, reduce the severity grade of certain types of vehicle collisions.    

How does steering and lane guidance assist provide support?

Congestion, slow-moving traffic, and long, monotonous journeys are sadly not uncommon, especially on the highway. When this happens, you have to keep a steady hand and patiently follow the road, sometimes for long periods of time. In these situations, a steering and lane guidance assistant can help you keep your vehicle in the lane – at high speeds as well – and make the task of steering easier. Cameras detect the lane markings, thus guiding the driver assistance system to the boundaries of the lane you are driving in. A look beyond the borders of Europe shows just how much more advanced this technology has already become. In some countries, the BMW Driving Assistant allows drivers to cruise “hands-off” at speeds of up to 130 km/h.

Benefits: Lane guidance assistants can relieve the driver from steering, offer a feeling of safety and, above all, make long motorway journeys more comfortable.

In what way does cruise control make driving easier?

Cruise control is also known as “Speed Control” and allows you to select your desired cruising speed. This often takes place in combination with distance control. Following activation the driver assistance system constantly maintains your chosen speed and therefore offers enhanced comfort during long-distances. Cruise control can electronically adjust the speed to the surroundings and appropriately adjust the engine power.

Benefits: With this assistance system particularly long journeys are more relaxing, and you can concentrate on the traffic. In conjunction with distance control the driving comfort is further enhanced: This calculates the speed of the vehicle ahead and automatically alters your own speed.    

What is distance control?

Distance control is also called Adaptive Cruise Control. With a pre-set desired speed this driver assistance system orientates to the vehicle ahead and automatically brakes or accelerates depending on the distance from the leading vehicle. This system has already been integrated into many modern vehicles. The applied sensors measure the current speed and the distance from the car ahead. If you find yourself in stop start traffic, the distance control takes over braking and start-up.

Benefits: Above all, you can use distance control during long journeys in combination with the cruise control function in order to arrive at your destination much more relaxed and to rest your legs as you don’t need to continually press the pedals. You must of course still keep your hands on the wheel and your eyes on the road. Besides comfort, distance control should also provide for greater safety during the journey.    

What does the speed limit assist do?

This driver assistance system combines the distance control with speed limit recognition and can also called Speed Limit Assist. Speed limit assist superimposes information about the speed limit onto the display area. With the help of this assistant you can adapt the maximum speed of the vehicle to a particular limit. The system scans road signs with a camera. Software then processes all the data and combines this with the data from the navigation system. You can view this driver assistance system as additional “speed camera insurance” because, in supplementing cruise control and the distance controller, it recognises the respective speed limit and – in the latest design – also automatically adjusts.

Benefits: According to research papers, around a quarter of accidents are due to speeding and the failure to maintain safe distances. Here, speed limit assist can increase your safety. Nevertheless, these systems do not absolve the vehicle operator of responsibility – they can however help to significantly reduce these numbers.    

How does a lane-change warning work? Why use lane-change assist?

The lane-change warning can help you to safely execute a lane-change and support the view in the rear mirror and over the shoulder. Sensors monitor the area beside and behind your car, and they cover the notorious blind spot. If another car approaches your vehicle in the blind spot or is dangerously close and overlooked by the driver, the driver assistant recognises this and warns against changing lanes. This warning is made, for example, using flashing symbols in the side mirror and even with steering wheel vibrations or steering impulses. A further development is lane-change assist. This means you can change lanes automatically once you’ve set the indicator for a few seconds. In doing so, the system assesses whether there is another vehicle in the blind spot or dangerously close and only changes lane as long as the sensors do not detect a hazard.

Benefits: A lane-change warning offers additional protection for road users, but it’s not a replacement for the rear and side mirrors or glancing over your shoulder. This driver assistance system can indeed help to avoid accidents – the driver must nevertheless pay full attention.

What advantages does parking assist offer?

Parking assistants support you when manoeuvring or parking and help protect you from parking damage. The range thereby extends from systems with a warning function to systems which display the surroundings or automatically carry out the parking process. Assistants make use of ultrasound and camera sensor data. Parkpilot indicates the distance to surrounding objects and in this way supports the drive mainly through the use of beeping. A rear camera is more detailed: Additionally, it displays the area behind the car and adds in suggested lines which provides guidance when parking. In further developments, driver assistance systems completely take over the parking process and independently carry out all the required steering manoeuvres as well as braking and acceleration. With such automated systems the assistant manoeuvres your car into and out of tight parking spaces at the touch of a button. Up to a certain speed the BMW Rear Drive Assist is capable of reconstructing the last 50m of the route driven in reverse. This can be useful, for example, in parking situations, but also when you want to reverse into a narrow lane. 

Benefits: With this assistance system tight car parks and narrow parking spaces on the roadside should no longer present a challenge. The comfort and advantages of a self-parking vehicle are clear.    

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What Does Lim Mean On BMW Dashboard?

The steering wheel contains the LIM button. It is the limit-of-speed button. It causes your car to slow down to the predetermined limit. For instance, if it is 20, the car will only travel at 20 mph. The speed is maintained to 20 miles even when the accelerator is pressed.

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Hi everybody,

The strangest thing happened today when I had to brake quickly to prevent another vehicle from entering my lane.

The green LIM light then illuminated while losing a significant amount of power. In reality, after the LIM light turned on, I was unable to accelerate above 40 km/h.

Why would the car enter Limp mode after a hard stop, assuming that Limp mode was in use?

This feature, which sets a speed limits to prevent you from unintentionally exceeding it, has nothing to do with limp mode.

Do you have a LIM button on your steering wheel? I’m going to assume that you pressed it by accident.

Since I’ve had the car for seven months and have never utilized the cruise control, I just assumed this was a feature of the CC.

Didn’t even notice the LIM button. I recently had to put on my reading glasses. Lol

I tried the lim function once by setting it (like cruise control) and flooring it, but it just pulled past it. I’ve never figured out how to use it.

I didn’t bother reading about all the technical gadgets; instead, I focused on the key features, such as Sports/Sports+/MDM and Launch mode.

It is a very helpful button that is primarily found on German cars and allows you to set a speed limit, particularly for highway driving. When you reach the desired speed, simply hit lim to activate it.

LIM can be overridden by pressing hard on the accelerator. Most likely a safety feature, in case an emergency arises and you need to move more quickly.

My Mercedes has that feature, which is quite helpful when driving in the United Kingdom, where there are a lot of speed cameras; but, my M2 doesn’t have it.

Some automobiles have SET while others have LIM. Varies by region and options. You can code in whatever one you like if you don’t like what you have.

What does lim mean in a land rover?

When a maximum speed limit is established, the car reacts normally up until that point. The car’s acceleration ceases at this point. ASL may only travel at speeds more than 30 km/h (19 mph). To turn on the speed limitation system and turn on the ASL, press the LIM button on the center console.

What does Lim look like in a car, too? The steering wheel contains the LIM button. It is the limit-of-speed button. It causes your car to slow down to the predetermined limit. For instance, if it is 20, the car will only travel at 20 mph. The speed is maintained to 20 miles even when the accelerator is pressed.

People also inquire as to what the LIM button performs. The adaptive speed limiter can be activated by pressing the LIM button on the steering wheel. The speed limiter or the adaptive speed limiter information bulb is shown in the instrument panel, depending on the condition of the vehicle. Press and hold the CAN button on the steering wheel if the speed limits is shown.

Additionally, be aware of what an adjustable speed limiter is. The adaptive speed limiter cooperates with the navigation system and traffic sign recognition system to limit the top speed of the vehicle. The last detected speed restriction is applied if the system is unable to identify a valid maximum speed.

What does Range Rover ASL stand for, too? Controls for an automatic speed limiter (ASL). ASL enables the setting of a speed limit that the driver doesn’t want to go beyond. The engine will respond normally up to the chosen speed once a speed has been set.

On the BMW cruise control, what is Lim?

Hello, I recently FDL coded my car’s LIM function (Limit), and I adore it. It’s comparable to Cruise Control but with a different twist. With cruise control, you can select a speed that will be maintained until you brake or turn it off.

By “vehicle,” what does Lim mean?

All Mercedes vehicles on the market currently include LIM features, as opposed to earlier models that had cruise controllers.

The LIM, or speed limiter, is an optional feature that gives the driver the ability to set a maximum cruising speed between 30 km/h and the car’s top speed.

Once this top speed has been chosen, it is saved and shown as an icon in the instrument panel of the car.

To reach the desired limit, the driver can do this by increasing the accelerating velocity by one kilometer or ten kilometers at a time.

A Mercedes Benz’s LIM can be thought of as an additional safeguard against mishaps or the formation of dangerous situations.

The Mercedes Corporation has made an inventive move to increase traffic safety. After being configured, the limiter shows the driver’s preferred speed restriction on the instrument panel.

Typically, this takes the form of a display indicator. The vehicle’s speed limiter closely monitors this velocity and informs the driver whenever it deviates by means of visual or aural alarms.

When there is a set speed limit to adhere to or when traveling a new route, this gadget is frequently used.

Speed limit assistance is a feature that is frequently included with the LIM in Mercedes Benz vehicles. The LIM and this facility work together to create the ideal accident-prevention tool.

The former can be used to fix necessary restrictions thus decreasing the driver’s labor, whereas the latter is utilized to educate the driver of the pertinent issues involving speed limits and signage.

Although there are a wide range of devices designed to help limit the speed of cars, Mercedes-LIM Benz’s facility has undoubtedly redefined all of its rivals.

The standard cruise control described above was developed further into the Speedtronic variable speed limiter, which enables the driver to select a maximum speed limit for themselves (the car) between 30 km/h and the vehicle’s top speed.

The speed limiter is set by depressing the “Lim” switch on the cruise control stalk. The selected top speed is subsequently saved and displayed on the instrument cluster’s center display.

When the stalk is moved, a tiny orange light on the stalk illuminates to signal that the speed restricting feature will be used rather than Cruise control.

(They can’t be utilized at the same time.) By pulling up on the lever, the driver can increase the selected speed by 10 km/h or one km/h increments until the desired top speed is attained.

How does the BMW speed limiter operate?

The system makes use of speed limit signs to identify different speeds while cruise control is engaged. If you choose, while you are driving, your BMW will automatically adjust to the posted speed limit. This setting in Speed Assistant can be changed to automatic or manual.

Why is there a speed limiter on the BMW?

In order to prevent the TUV from interfering with their business and imposing stricter speed limitations on the vehicles, BMW, Audi, and MBZ have reached a “gentleman’s agreement” to limit the top speed of their vehicles to 155.

Has BMW installed a speed limiter?

BMW automatically restricts the highest speed of its M3 car to 155 mph out of the box, or 180 mph if the M Driver’s Package is ordered. Of sure, it can move much quicker, but how much faster? Nobody was able to provide us with the solution—until today, that is.

We have no doubt that this car would be able to surpass the 200 mph mark with a little additional tuning to extract more power from that twin-turbo 3.0-liter straight-six under the hood. Our suspicion is that it won’t be long until that occurs.

What is Lim doing behind the wheel?

You won’t unintentionally trigger a speed camera because it is your upper speed limit. Works well in countries with strict speed limits, like Norway:-) You can go as quickly as you wish by simply pressing it once more:-) Here, if you depress the gas pedal firmly, the Lim function is overridden, and you can brake for emergencies.

Can the BMW’s speed limiter be removed?

No one is able to possess the software necessary to remove the speed governor or limiter. It is unchangeable. It’s a component of bootmod3 and, presumably, MHD’s F series flash when it launches in December. My M Sport 335 is capable of exceeding 155 mph.

The definition of Lim mode

The security function in cars known as “limp mode,” or “limp home mode,” engages when the engine or gearbox control unit detects a fault. When a fault is detected, limp mode will limit the vehicle’s speed and turn off less crucial components, such as the air conditioning. This will help the automobile “limp home” and guarantee that the malfunction doesn’t result in anything serious. The limp mode feature is intended to alert you to problems with your car’s mechanisms that could be dangerous and that need to be rectified right away.

A speed limiter indicator: what is it?

These are the symbols for the Automatic Speed Limiter (ASL) Indicator and the Speed Limiter. They turn on when the limiter is engaged and a speed has been set. Until the specified speed is attained, it will appear in green before turning yellow or amber.

BMW limp mode: what is it?

In a nutshell, your BMW uses limp mode to safeguard your engine and transmission. When an ABS, or engine or transmission control unit, detects improper operation, a malfunction code is recorded in the device and used to gauge the severity of the problem. Your BMW will enter limp mode if the device determines the problem to be unsafe.

Your BMW is striving to make sure you can securely transport your car to a mechanic without endangering the engine, which is the most crucial component of your car. The ideal solution to get your automobile running like new will be determined by tests that skilled auto mechanics can perform to identify the cause of the limp mode and the fault code.

Why is the speed restriction on my car?

Additionally, it’s not only supercars. There are many vehicles on the road today that have electronic speed limits that were installed by the manufacturer. Why are automobiles’ top speeds electronically capped?

Vehicle speeds are typically electronically restricted in order to safeguard important components, keep passengers secure, adhere to legal requirements, and keep costs reasonable.

If you exceed the speed limit, what happens?

There are speed limits on all major roads and urban streets in Britain, and it’s all too simple to lose focus and go over them. In addition to the likelihood that the authorities would take action due to your speed, it might also be risky for other road users. Fortunately, many automobiles today have a speed limiter feature that keeps the vehicle from going beyond the limit you’ve selected.

The ones we’re discussing here differ slightly from the speed limiters seen in vans and trucks. While speed limiters in cars can be turned on and off with the push of a button or a flick of a stalk, they are legally required, cannot be turned off, and only limit the vehicle’s top speed. Naturally, they do limit your car’s highest speed, but only for the time that you’ve set the speed limiter to.

It doesn’t keep a constant speed, unlike cruise control. The accelerator is still being used by the driver, but once the car reaches the speed limit, pushing the pedal normally will have no effect because the limiter will stop it from driving any faster. If your car has both, the limiter and cruise control features are frequently combined, but they serve different purposes.

Modern systems can adjust a car’s speed in response to speed limit signs automatically. These are generally used in conjunction with adaptive cruise control and are frequently referred to as intelligent speed limiters.

By pressing down firmly on the accelerator, you can disable any speed limiters, guaranteeing that you can always drive away if necessary.

What is active cruise control?

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Cruise control adapting to speed limit signs?

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It is called Speed Limit Info with Traffic Sign Recognition, and it is indeed part of the ACC with Stop&Go.  

Very cool I was was worried we won’t be getting this in the US. My Volvo has the speed limit recognition but doesn’t adjust the speed automatically. Thanks  

Well, to be honest, I don't think the ACC works the same way in the US as in Europe, so there is a chance this feature might not be included in the US version. I don't know if @gsbaker has the ACC aboard his car. Maybe he can confirm this?  

Yes wonder if the i4 adjusts or just displays the speedlimit and keeps driving at the set speed.  

Markus E said: It also states in that video that the i4 automatically leaves an emergency lane in case of stuck traffic on four lane roads. Meaning cars on the right lane drive at the right edge and cars on the left lane drive on the left edge to leave space in the middle for emergency responders. This is probably a European thing. Click to expand...

Do you have a link to that video?  

It totally depends on your country, sadly I cannot find a list right now. It is possible in Germany, but for example in Switzerland it is not if I remember correctly. As @Marvellous has written, you do need DAP for it to automatically adjust, otherwise you will have to press "OK" for every limit there is (ACC). I think somebody from the US has to confirm if it works in the US. By the way the i4 and the Tesla are the only cars (or manufactures respectively) that allow a "tolerance", so you can set it up to +15km/h (and probably up to 10mph). Every other manufacturer I tested will only allow the exact speed that is allowed, like VW, Skoda, Mercedes, Koreans, etc.  

In Switzerland, the car adjusts the speed automatically to the new speed limit with the tolerance I set. So in my case, the i4 always drives 10km/h more above the 60km/h speed limits. Everything works automatically except the traffic light start/stop. I get a warning when I drive to fast towards a red traffic light (the car does recognize it), but the car won't stop automatically. When it's green again, it shows that, but doesn't start by itself. Automatic lane changes also don't work.  

Cable Guy said: Everything works automatically except the traffic light start/stop. I get a warning when I drive to fast towards a red traffic light (the car does recognize it), but the car won't stop automatically. When it's green again, it shows that, but doesn't start by itself. Automatic lane changes also don't work. Click to expand...

Nino said: Here in Belgium and Netherlands it works. Traffic lights assistant doesn’t work in Belgium. If I activate, a few moments later I get message that system has deactivated. Not possible here. Click to expand...

I wish one of the new US owners would be able to test it. I am worried all of those features work only in Europe. For example the make room for emergency responders in stopped traffic doesn’t exist in the US as far as I know. Also every state in the US has slightly different laws. I heard the i4 adopts to European country laws as soon as it crosses a border for example a „German i4“ becomes a „Swiss i4“ which is pretty cool. For example in PA you need to move to the left lane whenever emergency responders with flashing lights are on the side of the road.  

In my car the lane assistance keeps to the inner side of the lane, so leftwards in the right lane and vice-versa. Occasionally it drifts off and gets too close to another car in that lane, or even starts to go off the road. So you need to keep sharp. I suppose rough pavement or faint lane stripes can confuse it. Nevertheless, I find it generally relaxing to use. With one hand lightly on the wheel I take a careful overview of the road, rather than focus down on the road. I tend to make many small and useless corrections which is stressful. By looking at the cars and general roadway I catch the drift and correct. As I have said before, if there is too much curvature in the road, the system is too shakey to comfortably use. So just on the major, well-graded highways.  

Have you been able to determine if the auto adaption to speed limits works and even allows a setting say 10 mph over? I may have missed it but have not seen anyone in US mention.  

The car has GPS, so even if it was bought in DE, surely is knows when it is in NL or BE... Is it possible that the legal limitations are programmed in, just like the speed limits, etc?  

Your suggestion may be right, because I suppose that it will change if local traffic laws change in the future. Probably only by means of a OTA update. If I go to Germany I will share my experiences, if the rules are different than in the Netherlands.  

And if you click on the the down arrow? You should get the options.  

Sorry reacted on the wrong post.  

Is this available in the US yet?  

Since I have my i4 I had plenty of time to test it. Yes you get the menu shown in earlier posts to define how much over the speed limit you want to drive. However in the US the car only indicates that the speed limit changed and you need to confirm with the set button that you want to change your speed.  

It is much better in my opinion if you have press Set than to let the car set the speed limit for you. If you let the car manage the speed limits you can get some unpleasant surprises. I have the automaic possibility in my car, but disabled it du to the fact that it some times picks up the wrong sign when driving on motorways, which can be very unpleasant since if you drive at high speed, the car reduces the speed fast, and if somebody is behind you then he/she might get upset at best, or hit you from behind. I simply feel safer when I set the speed. If I would miss a sign the car warns me for that and I have a choice to slow down or continue at the previously set speed. I feel like my car rarely misses, but I still prefer to set it manually.  

What sort of assisted driving do you have? I think it should be described in your manual or if you look at the configurator and configure a "fake" car, you can read what that would give you. In my configuration if I press "Set" then the speed limit sign is set as target speed and the car will accelerate to that speed. I have not set the correction in my car, so I don't know if your car would display 65 or if the correction is applied internally, meaning that when your display shows 60 it is actually 65 you are driving with. I think that this is the case, since otherwise the car would constantly warn for over speed.  

Setting the speed adjustment 1. "MENU" 2. "Vehicle apps" 3. "Driving settings" 4. "Driver Assistance" 5. "Driving" 6. "Speed Limit Assistance" 7. Select the desired setting: ▷ "Adjust speed limits": set tolerance for the speed adaptation that affects all speeds. ▷ "2nd adjustm. up to": activate or deactivate additional speed adaptation. ▷ "Adjust speed limits": With additional speed adjustment activated, set the tolerance for speed limits up to 40 mph/60 km/h.  

Revisiting this: I figured out the correct setting so that I only have to hit “SET” and it adjusts to the posted speed (+/-). But why isn’t there a toggle to do it automatically? Seems like only a software implementation would be needed. If it’s recognizing speed limits and allows you to hit a button to confirm, why can’t it happen automatically? My Mach-E had this (standard btw).  

I think this is enabled in certain countries.  

The emergency lane build up is indeed european but even not used everywhere. E.g. it works in Switzerland and not in Italy…, once you pass the border it informs you that the driving assistance is different…  

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1-dNIPy9SxE Wondering what BMW's Dynamic Cruise Control is all about? Watch this video from BMW USA to learn how to activate and deactivate the Dynamic Cruise Control function to hold a set speed above 20mph. Dynamic cruise control is an electronic cruise control system with an extra braking function. This also includes the Curve Speed Limiter that reduces the speed in curves for comfortable lateral acceleration. At the end of the curve the car accelerates and resumes the original speed. The driver can change this in increments of 1 or 10 km/h. Acceleration and deceleration in two dynamic settings can be controlled by manipulating the lever on the steering column or the paddle on the steering wheel. Active Cruise Control Not to be confused with the similarly named Dynamic cruise control, Active cruise control provides an even more comfortable driving experience. Not only does it maintain the desired speed, it also keeps the selected following distance. A radar sensor with a range of up to 200 m continually measures the distance between your vehicle and the cars in front of it. The sensor also detects if these vehicles are in the same lane as your vehicle or in another.  

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My F21 M140i has recently started giving a Cruise Control failure notification followed immediately with a Speed limit failure notification. As quickly as these notifications appear they cancel and everything appears normal. The car is over 2 years old and this has stated in the last month. It happens completely at random. The car has been back to BMW and the fault does log with the car, unfortunately they have been unable to rectify the fault yet. It's going back again next week. Has anyone else had this issue?  

I've had this issue intermittently on my F21 120d, however mine is a 2013 so pre LCI. I haven't had the issue in the last few months however but I do have issues with the paddles either not working intermittently, or when using the downshift paddle the car will upshift. I'm not sure if the two are related.  

It all points towards a bad clock spring (also known as slip ring). Unfortunately if you order a new one they come complete with the stalk switches for crazy money. If you're tempted by a used one, make sure the car is the same spec as yours (e.g. auto wipers, high beam assist, etc). There are too many part numbers to list.  

On my wife's Mondeo the cruise control would cut out randomly, it was traced to a faulty abs reluctor ring. It's probably not the same thing but thought I'd offer the suggestion. Sent from my Pixel XL using Tapatalk  

BFleming said: It all points towards a bad clock spring (also known as slip ring). Unfortunately if you order a new one they come complete with the stalk switches for crazy money. If you're tempted by a used one, make sure the car is the same spec as yours (e.g. auto wipers, high beam assist, etc). There are too many part numbers to list. Click to expand...

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How I bypassed the speed restriction on my NCM 500W/48V Moscow Plus 29er.

• Thread starter FullyCharged
• Start date Mar 23, 2020
• Tags das-kit c7 ncm speed restrictions tuning display

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• Mar 23, 2020

Kommunikation zwischen C7 Display und Motorkontroller NCM Venice+ Das-Kit

I have already published my research and results in the 'other' pedelec and E bike forum, but I hope to also reach other interested people here. First of all, thanks to Arthus Dent who started over a year ago and based on his work. My NCM Venice + 48V e-bike with Das-Kit C7 display and probably Lishui controller. On the back of the display is C600-1705- B640 V2.7-EN . After entering the code (8018), the display only allows you to change three support levels (Eco Normal Power) and to select the voltage 36 or 48V. Lockdown speed and wheel diameter are not accessible. There are very poorly available € 119 tuning displays in which the last two things can also be changed. So I cut the cable open and found out the function of the cable and the pin assignment using an oscilloscope and logic analyzer (yellow is thumb gas with the usual about 1 to 4 volts) Messages with 9600 baud at 3.3Volt TTL levels are exchanged on the data lines so that I could examine the protocol via USB TTL adapter. At approx. 10 Hz, 12 bytes come from the display to the controller, which responds with 10 bytes. Without a message from the display, nothing is sent from the controller. If you put the switch-on signal on the supply voltage, the controller uses the last setting and also works without a display. For better testing, I soldered a pin header into the cable so that I can easily interrupt individual signals: But now the exciting results: Display -> Motor controller b0 b1 b2 b3 b4 b5 b6 b7 b8 b9 b10 b11 3A 2C 0A 46 1A 48 08 06 EC 00 0D 0A Byte0: always 3A Byte1: always 2C Byte2: changes depending on the support level 09 with Eco 0A with Normal 0B on Power Byte3: changes with drive level 0x56 pushing aid 0x40 level 0 0x41 level 1 ... to 0x46 level 6 Byte4: final speed 0x1A = 26km / h Byte5:? Byte6:? Byte7:? Byte8: checksum (b1 + b2 + b3 + b4 + b5 + b6 + b7) mod 256 Byte9:? Byte10 and 11: 0D 0A (CR LF) * The controller responds accordingly: Controller -> Display b0 b1 b2 b3 b4 b5 b6 b7 b8 b9 3A 2C 00 60 EA 00 76 01 0D 0A b0: always 3A b1: always 2C b2: motor current 0x00 to 0x2A not yet checked but makes sense , when the rear wheel is up and pedaling brings a short 01 b3: cycle time v = 1325 / b3 (at 27.5 ") at standstill always 0x60 b4: b3 and b4 are low byte and high byte of the cycle time. b5: engine running: 0x00 im Standstill, goes to 0x16 as soon as the motor is switched on b6: checksum (b1 + b2 + b3 + b4 + b5) mod 256 b7: in stand 0x00 when the rear wheel turns 6km / h + -0.8km / h it goes to 0x01. Even at about 2km / h, in a smaller speed window. b8 and 9: 0D 0A (CR LF) Next I grabbed a microcontroller (Teensy) and changed the messages coming from the display to the controller so that when I selected level two, I sent it to controller 6 at 36km / h maximum speed . With 3D printed housing: Depending on the battery voltage, the controller regulates at 29 to 32 km / h. Since the bike is also sold in the USA by Magnumbikes as Metro Plus with 500Watt and 45km / h, I hope there is more. But it may be that another motor is installed there that can turn faster. If you are interested I can also write more detailed instructions on how to connect and program a 5 Euro microcontroller there. In case someone just wants to replicate it. You could also build a simple adapter and would have a pluggable solution. Sebastian Click to expand...

the bike is also sold in the USA by Magnumbikes as Metro Plus with 500Watt and 45km / h, I hope there is more. But it may be that another motor is installed there that can turn faster. Click to expand...

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Interesting. I swapped the Magnum display and controller both onto NCM Aspen+, and it didn't make any difference at all. Did this 4 months ago.  

Deleted Member 4210 said: Interesting. I swapped the Magnum display and controller both onto NCM Aspen+, and it didn't make any difference at all. Did this 4 months ago. Click to expand...

I'm going to test the correct speed with a gps app on my phone tomorrow sometime. Also planning to see if changing tire size will affect anything.  

• Mar 25, 2020

Deleted Member 4210 said: I stock multiple of their displays as I am a Magnum dealer. Also an NCM dealer. Click to expand...

Other things I noticed. The battery meter doesn't work on the G660 when connected to my NCM, only voltage. Changing the tire size does nothing for increasing speed.  

• Mar 26, 2020

Burak said: Hello, I am planning on buying Aspen Plus or Moscow Plus. Anyway, could you help me step by step on how to unlock the true potential of this bike please, I am new to ebiking and i have no idea what to do whats so ever lol. Click to expand...

• Apr 11, 2020

FullyCharged said: The first thing that came to my mind after my first ride on my 48V/500W NCM Moscow Plus was "How can I make this bike faster?" Throttle was maxed at 20mph(32km/hr) and the Petal Assist top speed was limited to 23mph.(37km/h) I knew the motor was capable of much more to stay within the specs of Class 3. So I made it my mission to try to find a hack or aftermarket hardware that would run my bike at the sweet spot of 28mph/45 kmh (Top end of Class 3) I took to the internet to figure out my problem. After hours of digging through the interwebs I came across this thread in a german pedelec forum. Kommunikation zwischen C7 Display und Motorkontroller NCM Venice+ Das-Kit Moin, ich habe bereits im dem 'anderen' pedelec und E bike Forum meine Untersuchung und Ergebnisse veröffentlicht, hoffe aber hier zusätzlich noch weitere interessierte Leute zu erreichen. Zunächst einmal ein Dank an Arthus Dent der schon vor über einem Jahr damit angefangen hat und auf dessen... www.pedelecforum.de Code: https://www.pedelecforum.de/forum/index.php?threads/kommunikation-zwischen-c7-display-und-motorkontroller-ncm-venice-das-kit.57050/page-1 A member by the name of vspadrva made some interesting advances. He managed to use an oscilloscope and logic analyzer to reverse engineer the Das-Kit C7 Display and create code using a microcontroller (ESP2866) to intercept the data being sent through the bikes data cables. Here's a translated quote of his OP on that thread. The thread goes on and other smart programmers find a way to change the data values NCM set it place with their custom firmware. Eventually they created an open sourced project on github (which has some cool features) After reading all of this and checking out the code on github. I had a good understanding what needs to be done to go that route and hack the display. It wasn't something that I was interested at all to attempt to achieve. Also those german riders had 250W motor kits installed and were only trying to go as fast as my bike already could stock. (Due to speed restrictions in Europe) So now what? Something from vspadrva's post stuck with me. Click to expand...

wattrider said: I built vspadrva's controller override module, it works well. Also modded it to send the motor power readings to my phone. Glenn. Click to expand...

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• Apr 18, 2020

This is great info. I wonder if they make a higher amperage controller that is compatible. Paying 2x as much for a Magnum display to get a few mph faster doesn't really seem worth it to me. I would want to make it a legit Class 3 to make it worth while if that was possible  

• Apr 23, 2020

FullyCharged said: Can you please make a thread. Would love to see your setup and have a place to ask questions. Welcome to the EBR forums. Click to expand...

• May 13, 2020

FullyCharged said: I can tell you there is a difference in the ride when you have the other on. Maybe not 28mph fast, but faster than a stock NCM display. The biggest difference is when you have a full battery. With the G660 Display installed its like the bike is on steroids. Acceleration is faster and doesn't lag as much. I was testing on the strip of road out front of my house today. Full battery starts for both tests. Click to expand...

For some, little gains = big rewards. I almost pulled the trigger on NVM Aspen+ but for a couple hundred more, I ended up getting a Juiced Rip Current because it is already class 3 and comes with 52v battery.  

Deleted Member 4210 said: You went to a lot of work and expense for no reason. The NCM Moscow Plus's that come in to my shop are already able to do 25 to 26 mph. No need to change display or firmware. Click to expand...

• May 15, 2020

So - just wondering - what does running the bike at 25+ mph do to battery life? I haven't consistently kept mine a 20, but I imagine it drains much quicker...  

• May 29, 2020

FullyCharged said: The first thing that came to my mind after my first ride on my 48V/500W NCM Moscow Plus was "How can I make this bike faster?" Throttle was maxed at 20mph(32km/hr) and the Petal Assist top speed was limited to 23mph.(37km/h) I knew the motor was capable of much more to stay within the specs of Class 3. So I made it my mission to try to find a hack or aftermarket hardware that would run my bike at the sweet spot of 28mph/45 kmh (Top end of Class 3) I took to the internet to figure out my problem. After hours of digging through the interwebs I came across this thread in a german pedelec forum. Kommunikation zwischen C7 Display und Motorkontroller NCM Venice+ Das-Kit Moin, ich habe bereits im dem 'anderen' pedelec und E bike Forum meine Untersuchung und Ergebnisse veröffentlicht, hoffe aber hier zusätzlich noch weitere interessierte Leute zu erreichen. Zunächst einmal ein Dank an Arthus Dent der schon vor über einem Jahr damit angefangen hat und auf dessen... www.pedelecforum.de Code: https://www.pedelecforum.de/forum/index.php?threads/kommunikation-zwischen-c7-display-und-motorkontroller-ncm-venice-das-kit.57050/page-1 A member by the name of vspadrva made some interesting advances. He managed to use an oscilloscope and logic analyzer to reverse engineer the Das-Kit C7 Display and create code using a microcontroller (ESP2866) to intercept the data being sent through the bikes data cables. Here's a translated quote of his OP on that thread. The thread goes on and other smart programmers find a way to change the data values NCM set it place with their custom firmware. Eventually they created an open sourced project on github (which has some cool features) After reading all of this and checking out the code on github. I had a good understanding what needs to be done to go that route and hack the display. It wasn't something that I was interested at all to attempt to achieve. Also those german riders had 250W motor kits installed and were only trying to go as fast as my bike already could stock. (Due to speed restrictions in Europe) So now what? Something from vspadrva's post stuck with me. This got me looking at Magnumbikes website. Low and behold they run the same Das-Kit C7/i5 controller system (data protocol) as my NCM bike but can reach 28MPH! This brought me to youtube looking up display tuning videos for Das-Kit C7 displays. MagnumBikes has a video posted there. I watched it and saw the tuning screens (Pedal Assist/Throttle) that my NCM doesn't have in its settings menu . After watching, I starting thinking that maybe the speed restriction data is stored in the Das-Kit i5 Controller firmware. I would be SOL unless I changed the Controller and the Display. But then I saw this image attached on that same german pedelec thread. View attachment 48098 Once I saw those chips, I knew there was firmware in the displays restricting the speed tuning options. I ordered a Magnumbikes C7 - 5 wire display. View attachment 48108 View attachment 48099 Got it today, removed my stock NCM display and installed Magnums. Guess what? I can now go 25mph on assist and 23mph on throttle. Here's a YT video of the new Display and the tuning options it gives my NCM Moscow Plus. YOUTUBE LINK ​ Hope this helps some of you out there wanting to go faster or tune the bike to go slower. Click to expand...

Steve Webb said: Really appreciate the help. Having fitted my C7 new display with throttle it is definately a bit quicker but the power only assists up to 20 mph. I followed your video tutorial and one setting lets me set at 28 mph but the next screen will only allow setting up to 20 mph, it is the screen showing the capital T on its side l- . Any advice as to why not getting the 28mph option here would be much appreciated. Click to expand...

My Mrs has the identical NSM Moscow but with the original L7 display, and certainly not much more than 5mph difference in speeds. Will try with a GPS app though when get a chance, but thanks for advice.  

• May 30, 2020

FullyCharged said: Interesting, what firmware does your stock NCM Moscow +’s come with? Click to expand...

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Best of Moscow by high speed train

By shuguley , February 15, 2014 in Regent Seven Seas Cruises

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Sure would appreciate someone who has taken "Best of Moscow by high speed train" from St. Petersburg could please share their impressions of this shore excursion. From the description this sounds like a very long day.

Wondering how the 4 hour train trip was in terms of accommodations, etc. Also what time did you leave the ship and what time at night did you return? Were both legs of the trip on the high speed rail (I read that slower trains also travel the same tracks)?

My wife and I are considering this excursion. We thought that if we are making all the effort to go to Russia then how could we pass up going to Moscow, walking in Red Square, seeing St. Basil, etc.

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If you are considering this on the 2015 June Baltic cruise on Voyager; my suggestion is don't. There is so much to do in St. Petersburg and although a train is one of my favorite ways to travel the time would be far better spent in St. P.

Thanks for the advice. Yes, this would be on the Voyager during the 2015 season but not yet sure exactly which cruise.

We did the Moscow excursion "on a different luxury line", but from your brief description it sounds very much like the same trip, so I will operate on that assumption. It is a VERY long day! We left the ship at 5:30 AM and returned at 12:30 AM. The highspeed train trip is comfortable, and while they call it "Business Class" it does not compare well to the equivalent class on say Rail Europe. When we did it in 2011, we did have highspeed both ways, and the trip back seemed much longer as the adrenaline and excitement had worn off!:D

Moscow itself is not that terribly different from any other big city in the world, but this Cold War kid never thought he would ever stand in Red Square, never mind walk the grounds of The Kremlin, or tour The Kremlin Palace, or see (but not visit) Lenin's Tomb, or visit The Armoury. But he did, and he loved every minute of it! Yes, it is a long day, and you barely scratch a scratch on the surface, but it is worth it. There is a tremendous amount to see in St. Petersburg, but every Baltic cruise goes to St. Petersburg, so you can go back if you choose to. Not every cruiseline offers you the chance to see Moscow.

I have not personally done this tour, but our last time in St Petersburg, the private guide that we hired for a day was leading the regent tour to Moscow on the high speed train the next day. He said it was way better than the previous alternative, which was flying to Moscow and back. He said that you actually got to Moscow faster because you didn't have to deal with airline checkin etc. it did seem like a very long day to me, and there is so much to see and do in st. Petersburg that I didn't consider doing it.

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We toured to Moscow from St. Petersburg via the hi-speed SAPSAN train last September, from a Baltic cruise on the Oceania Marina. You need to have a two-night, three day port call in St. Petersburg to take this tour because the tour typically leaves the ship around 5:00 - 5:30 AM and doesn't return until after midnight the next day. We didn't take the ship's tour; we made private arrangements with TravelAllRussia for three days of touring, the first and third days in St. Petersburg and the second day the tour to Moscow by train. Our cost for the private tour for three days was about the same as what the ship charged for the excursion to Moscow alone. There are a number of private tour agencies that operate in St. Petersburg and offer the Moscow train tours; we would strongly recommend them over the ship's tours.

All three days had private guides with car and driver. The second day, the driver picked us up at the ship and took us to the train, but we were alone on the train, and met in Moscow by the guide on the station platform. After our tour and dinner, we were brought back to the train and after the return train trip met by the driver and taken back to the ship. Because you are alone on the train you must have your own Russian visas.

If this is your first visit to St. Petersburg, I would agree there is much more to see there. We found Moscow somewhat a disappointment, particularly Red Square. The Kremlin and the cathedral in Red Square were also worth seeing. But the best thing we saw was the Moscow subway! I worked for the Washington Metro system back in the 1980s as it grew from 40 to 80 miles and although I was in the computer area, I learned a lot about the challenges of running a subway system. We used the Moscow system to get across the city from where we had dinner to the train station, and I was amazed at the cleanliness', speed of operation, the short headways maintained, and the courtesy of everyone involved. A very impressive experience!

We had been to St. Petersburg before, and so had the time to take a day and go to Moscow. Also, I really like trains, and the SAPSAN is a German train set running on Russian rails. Seats are like first class domestic air, spacious but not too plush or comfortable, but with enough room. Not too much recline, and almost 8 hours on the train in two shots is a lot for an old man. They come through and sell drinks, candy, etc. but the sellers don't speak English and no one around us helped, so we had just poor coffee once coming, and brought stuff with us for the trip back. Not too much to see from the train either, particularly on the return when it is night the whole way.

If you decide to go, take a private tour and avoid the overly expensive ship's tour. I'm glad we did it, but wouldn't bother to repeat the tour; we've seen Moscow.

Thanks so much to all of you for the thorough and thought insight. Yhe information you have provided is most helpful.

countflorida: Your detailed post is very helpful. We are not quite ready for a Baltic cruise but should do so within a year. Time enough to do our pre travel research, bookings and visa gathering.:) Thank you!

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Sure would appreciate someone who has taken "Best of Moscow by high speed train" from St. Petersburg could please share their impressions of this shore excursion. From the description this sounds like a very long day.   Wondering how the 4 hour train trip was in terms of accommodations, etc. Also what time did you leave the ship and what time at night did you return? Were both legs of the trip on the high speed rail (I read that slower trains also travel the same tracks)?   My wife and I are considering this excursion. We thought that if we are making all the effort to go to Russia then how could we pass up going to Moscow, walking in Red Square, seeing St. Basil, etc.

I did this on Seabourn. IMO DONT. Take Aeroflop (er Aeroflot). The train has non folding seats where you are literally knee to knee with your fellow passenger (facing each other). Further they don't believe in air conditioning. It's also the worlds slowed bullet train. I think I would have found more enjoyment wandering around the St. Petersburg and Moscow airports.

Countflorida,

This is a little off topic,, however we had planned a river cruise in Russia but decided we would rather stay on land and have booked about two weeks with Travel-All-Russia using the private guide and driver. I'm curious as to how you found them as a tour company.

The guides they provided were fine. We had a different guide each of the days in St. Petersburg, but both were flexible, pleasant, knowledgeable and spoke English very well, as did the guide in Moscow, incidentally. She was a bit aloof, distant, not too friendly, but otherwise fine. In fact, she was the one who suggested taking the Metro, which unexpectedly became one of the highlights of the Moscow excursion. If I have a complaint with AllTravelRussia, it is with their plan and its execution (more later).

I had requested emphasis on World War II (in Russia, the Great Patriotic War) sites and info. In scheduling us, they weren't careful about dates and a couple of the sites we wanted to see were scheduled on the third day, after we'd been to Moscow. But both sites were closed that day of the week, and that info was readily available, right on web sites describing them. Also, the included meals (lunches in St. Pete, dinner in Moscow) were not what we asked for: light meals with some choices, so we could avoid things we didn't like and choose things we did like. My request was ignored; we were given full Russian meals with a fixed menu, no choice. On the first day, a fish dish was the entre, but I am allergic to fish. Fortunately, I had the e-mail I'd sent with me and showed it to the guide, and she was able to change my entre to chicken, which was very good actually. But we didn't want a 3-4 course lunches or dinner (in Moscow). We had the guide drop the lunch the third day, although we never got any credit or refund. But, particularly in contrast to the ship's tours, the prices were so reasonable we didn't worry too much about it.

The people who were on the ship's tour to Moscow saw us boarding the same train for which they were forced to queue up and wait on the way back, and asked us what we had done. I was candid and open so they were not happy when I explained what we had arranged and particularly what it had cost. Also, when we returned to the ship, we found they had laid on a late supper for those who had gone to Moscow, so up we went and had something. Well, it turns out the late supper was supposed to be just for those on the ship's tour, but we and others on 'independent' tours, there were a dozen or more of us, crashed the party, actually got there first, and they didn't realize it until the larger group arrived and there weren't enough tables/places set. By that time, the 'independents' had all gotten served and were eating; what could they do?

A couple from the larger group sat down with us and asked us about our tour, and they were the ones I told about our arrangement and its cost. They turned to others who’d been with them and announced the details, loudly enough so the whole room heard, which started a lot of bitching and complaining. I gathered they weren't very happy with the ship's tour to begin with, and this was the straw that broke the camel's back. We finished up and beat it out of there, but overheard later that one of the excursion staff came to check on something and ran into a real mess. I caught a cold on the trip, which forced me to bed the second day following in Tallinn, so by the time we reappeared we heard about the contretemps' but apparently no one recalled who started it, thankfully.

Because of what happened to us, I would probably not use AllTravelRussia if I were to go again, or if I did, I would be sure to get confirmation of every detail of the tour. They do have good reviews generally, and we were certainly helped by their visa department and liked the guides and drivers. Their weakness, I say now with full 20:20 hindsight, is that once the sales person who plans the tour, sells it to you and collects your money, he (or she) transfers the plan to their Russia office for implementation; there is no follow-up to make sure it gets done right. And that is where our problems arose; we paid for a custom tour but got a standard package with a few destinations switched, and no one checked them out, even to see when they were open the day we were scheduled to go. If you check every detail that’s important to you, it should be OK, but that’s a hell of a way to have to do business, in my opinion.

Thank you for the 20/20 hindsight observation on your Russian tour operator, and better priced than the ship's excursion cost.

Thanks very much for the feedback.

We had the same experience as you so far as price. We originally booked a Viking Cruise but, hearing some things about the river cruises that made us unhappy, looked into other options. T-A-R cost the same or less than a cruise and had us in hotels for 11 days. We opted for the private tour. They have three tour levels, based on hotels. We originally opted for the four star as it did not cost much more than the three star hotels. Finally we decided to throw it all in and upgraded to five star. In Moscow we will be at the newly opened Kempinsky which is two blocks from Red Square. In St. Petersburg it is the Grand Hotel Europe, one of the most vaunted luxury hotels in Russia. Location is important for us as the tours use up only part of the day so being in the center of everything for our independent touring is important. As with many other cities, the less you pay, the farther out of the center of town you are.

We have been working with our salesman in D.C. and he seems to get back to us with the changes we want. He recently returned from Russia so is up on everything. When I asked they said they paid the full TA commission if I wanted so I got my usual TA on board so he is watching our back and giving us that extra level of comfort. He also set up our air, which I know pays him little or nothing, and got us business class for much less than T-A-R wanted for economy, though it took working for a while with a consolidator. He's happy to get his 10 percent on this trip without having booked it. He also took care of the trip insurance. We've been doing a lot of research on the CC sister site Trip Advisor and will write a report there. We will, I guess, become a source of info for CC members after having spent 5 days in Moscow and 6 in SP.

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Anybody considering a day trip to Moscow from St. Petersburg on the Sapsan may want to look at our travelogue filled with pictures.

http://boards.cruisecritic.com/showthread.php?t=1927687

Very informative. Thanks dor sharing. Jeff

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