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Star Trek: Voyager

“Heroes and Demons”

Air date: 4/24/1995 Written by Naren Shankar Directed by Les Landau

Review by Jamahl Epsicokhan

"It brings on the spirit of the bear and gives us strength to swing our swords." "It's more likely to bring on profuse sweating, convulsions and acute delirium. This is a fungus common to sub-arctic climates and, let me assure you, quite poisonous." "Yes, but those it does not kill it makes strong. A most hearty plant." — Freya and the Doctor

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When Ensign Kim runs a holodeck program of the medieval tale "Beowulf," a mysterious presence seizes control of the holodeck, causing crew members who enter to vanish without a trace. Only the Doctor may have the ability to successfully investigate and retrieve them.

When Kim disappears inside his program, Janeway sends Chakotay and Tuvok to investigate. Upon entering the holodeck, they discover the shutdown routine and safety devices do not work (surprise). They come across a warrior named Freya (Marjorie Monaghan)—the king's daughter—who has information that may help them. Kim, who was playing the part of the hero Beowulf, was killed by the evil monster Grendel, she explains. Chakotay tells her that he is Beowulf's kinsman, here to avenge his death, and that he wishes to face Grendel. Tuvok and Chakotay hope to find answers to the holodeck takeover from Grendel. They find evidence that Kim apparently went through the process of matter-energy conversion (uh-oh) due to some unthinkable malfunction. When they encounter Grendel, however, they become victims of matter-energy conversion.

Sporting the ultimate in anti-climactic teasers and a completely by-the-numbers first act, "Heroes and Demons" initially looks like a failed Voyager concept to be the first to join the series of clichéd Next Generation holodeck plots. Fortunately, the story takes a perfectly appropriate and creative twist in the second act by putting the holographic doctor in the center of the action.

Using information Chakotay and Tuvok retrieved before vanishing, Janeway concludes that Grendel is the key to the mystery and that sending more people into the holodeck would likely result in their vanishing as well. This leads to the idea of transferring the Doctor's program into the holodeck to investigate. Since he's a hologram with no matter, he conceivably would be unaffected by the problems in the holodeck.

This is where the episode starts to pick up. One limitation Picardo's character has faced up to this point is that he's a doctor—and only a doctor. Not only is he often limited to spouting medical technobabble, he's been faced with the prospect of doing all his acting on the sickbay set. This plot gives Picardo an opportunity to escape the confines of sickbay and play the hero while also offering a startling amount of depth to his character. Several scenes reveal that this character has feelings and desires beyond the limitations of his programming, and, hopefully, future episodes will put the Doctor's new characterizations to use.

The Doctor even chooses a name before leaving for his mission—Dr. Schweitzer. (However, since he decides to abandon the name by episode's end, I will continue to call him "the Doctor" to avoid confusion.) In the holodeck program, the Doctor meets Freya, who takes him back to the perishing kingdom hall, which sits in defenseless terror of another attack by Grendel. The setting benefits from a number of lively holodeck characters. Freya's strength and compassion balance to make a respectable heroine, while the menacing Unferth (Christopher Neame), a warrior who doubts the Doctor's abilities, proves to be a believable roadblock to our hero's progress. King Hrothgar (Michael Keenan) is a pitiable, helpless man who has to watch his kingdom fall in front of him.

The Doctor's ability to allow matter to pass through him convinces the kingdom that weapons can't hurt him. Perhaps they have hope of repelling Grendel after all. The kingdom hall cheers and labels him their savior. Here, Picardo's looks of confused bewilderment are priceless.

In fact, this is a good episode for Picardo all around. It features his genial presence at its best, working well for the episode's humorous moments and dose of mild goofiness, as well as the serious character-driven scenes. A scene between the Doctor and Freya provides some genuinely effective soul-searching dialog. The moment when these two holographic characters kiss works surprisingly well. (The idea may seem slightly inane, but it displays one of the best qualities about Star Trek stories—their ability to take the audience anywhere.)

The plot, alas, turns into another lame-brained exercise in the obvious when Torres and Paris discover the mysterious entity in the holodeck is another misunderstood lifeform which the crew had beamed aboard the ship after mistaking it for an energy source. The "Grendel" alien changed the crew members into energy in retaliation for the crew's inadvertent "kidnapping" of two others of its race. Give me a break. You would think the crew would've learned their lesson after " The Cloud ." This revelation can be so easily predicted a mile away that I wanted to slug the characters for taking so long to figure it out.

But I don't care too much that the life form plot isn't particularly inventive. The Doctor's adventures in the holodeck are much more important, and they work. In order to negotiate a peace treaty with the aliens, the Doctor must hand deliver one of the captured life forms to the "Grendel" alien as a gesture of good faith. On the way he is confronted by Unferth, who attacks him after mistaking the lifeform for a talisman to destroy the kingdom. Freya shows up in time to save the Doctor's life but pays with her own. Freya's death scene also works very well with a bit of theatrical aura.

Naturally, the Doctor is successful in his task, and all three crew members are released unharmed. Janeway logs a commendation in the Doctor's file for his successful first away mission. "Sounds like you had quite an adventure in that holodeck, Doctor," she says. Yes, he did.

Considering how many facets of the Doctor's personality and emotions this hologram program ends up tapping into, it's quite a substantial episode for the Doctor. Some viewers may find themselves saying, "It was just a program. Freya wasn't a real person, and she didn't really die." I say don't overanalyze the situation. Remember, the Doctor is only a hologram himself. (I guess, in a sense, these holo-characters are his own people.) Restarting the holodeck program to bring Freya back may sound like an easy and obvious solution but would also constitute poor drama.

Aside for the recycled bit with the lifeform, I'd like to see more like this from Voyager . An ambitious score by Dennis McCarthy and convincing production design supply added bonuses. But please give the Doctor a name already.

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Since we know the Doctor doesn't ever really get a name, remind me again: do we ever at least get a "Doctor... Who?" joke out of the show :-) The Doctor was definitely a highlight of VOY. This episode is only one of the first where he gets to, ummm, shine!

I don't know if anyone noticed this problem... but didn't we just see an episode like this with "The Cloud"? Sure, it's totally different... but this is 2 times that Voyager mistakenly did something bad to an actual life-form that they thought was an energy source. I guess they need energy in the delta quadrant, but these kinds of episodes seem a little out of place as a whole. It reeks of the "anomaly of the week" problem, which has been overdone so many times on Star Trek. As a whole, this series didn't really give us anything *new*. It was just more of the same, for 7 straight seasons. People love and hate DS9 - but you can't argue that it was a new and different from its predecessor. Voyager, and later Enterprise, didn't offer anything new. And so after 11 seasons of mostly crap, we no longer have Star Trek on television, and might not for a very long time to come.

Carbetarian

I can't get over how dumb it is that they are desperately searching for a new power source, and yet are still using the holodecks. Incompatible power sources my ass! Power is power, the whole thing is just ridiculous. Holodeck episodes are the worst. In my opinion, they're worse than ferengi episodes. There have been a small handful of interesting holodeck episodes, but usually they are just goofy and annoying. The only truly great holodeck episode I can think of was Paper Moon on DS9, and this episode is no Paper Moon. The holodeck program on this one was far too reminiscent of TNG's Qpid for me which, apart from a few hilarious one liners from Worf, I never want to be reminded of ever again. The Alien of the Week was totally lame and forgettable, and I could definitely have done without ever having to watch Tuvok and Chakotay trudging through the forest discussing poetic ways to describe Harry Kim. All that said though, the doctor is wonderful. He somehow managed to make this show watchable for me. His sense of timing and humor is really dead on, and he is always a joy to have on screen. The doctor gets four stars for making something likable out of this turd of an episode, and the plot gets zero stars for being another cliche, cornball, derivative holodeck adventure. So, all in all, this one gets two stars from me!

For the love of god is there any non-sentient form of energy anywhere in this entire freaking quadrant!? Starfleet folk are always so respectful of the holodeck's 'rules' even when there are lives at stake and the safeties are malfunctioning and there's a seemingly malevolent entity running around disappearing their crewmen. What exactly is stopping them from simply stomping through shooting everything on sight? How come the Mysterious Entity of the week apparently agrees to be bound by the grendel_event program flag? The doctor isn't even solid, there's no reason for him to waste time interacting with anything at all here (though unlike Tuvok and Chakotay he at least has a motivation to want to take it all in.) Ah I know, these are petty complaints, but I ran clean out of suspension of disbelief about 20 minutes in due to sheer boredom (having seen the semi-recent and entirely-horrible Beowulf movie certainly didn't help).

Yeah, it's not hard to find so many logical problems and faults with the plotting with these episodes. It almost like the writers were just pumping out stories out of manufacturing plant... just putting all the basic genres into a pot, stirring it up, and seeing what shit came out. Having said, if you take the episode for what it is, it's not bad. But the premise of the show - such as most shows in this series - is awful.

This is one of the standouts of Voyager's first season! I, for one, put a far greater emphasis on the EXECUTION of an episode than whether or not some element of its plot may be derivative of another episode that has come before. "Heroes and Demons" has terrific production value, a stand out performance from Bob Picardo, memorable guest characters, and typically first rate direction from Les Landau. I've come to realize that episodes directed by Les Landau are wonders of light. Some which spring to mind: Sins of the Father, Family, Time's Arrow Part I & II, Chain of Command Part II, and The Chute.

Along with the above commentators, I expect a high standard of realism out of my 24th-century space-exploration sci-fi television shows.

Kazon Hornblower

Ugh, watching this episode is like realizing too late that you didn't wipe well enough. And now you have an hour's drive ahead of you on a hot summer day.

Tuvok: I would point out there are no demons in Vulcan literature. Chakotay: That might account for its popularity. Perfect Vulcan human interaction... what was missing from T'Pol in Enterprise, and definitely reminiscent of Spock... excellent line

Once more, a very stupid premise for the malfunction of a holodeck. Really really silly. Not to mention, as others have already pointed above and before, how it hurts to watch the holodeck being used when the ship is short on energy supply. The excuse of different types of energy is unberable. Even though, in the end it was an interesting episode when it focused on the existencial questions of The Doctor. Just as Spock in TOS, Data in TNG and Odo in DS9, The Doctor has a lot of potential for development and is nice when it starts to be delivered. I hope it keeps coming, since he highlights the show quite a bit. If only the rest of the episode was not so ridiculous, with a plot so embarrassing...

I liked this episode, it was a fun holodeck romp that's executed well. The plot is a mishmash of things we'd seen before but the doctor stuff makes it unique.

The holodeck scenario was pleasant. The aliens were very Star Trek. The Doctor was fantastic. Only real complaint is I wish to have learned more about these aliens. All in all, not bad. Quite entertaining in fact. I don't complain too much about holodeck usage on Voyager (excepting that holodeck episodes will become overused). I realize they are an independent subsystem with their own reactors. I just wish for some better explanation on how it all works together. 3 stars.

I hate "theme episodes" (often holodeck episodes). ST is already a genre TV series: science fiction. If I wanted to watch another genre (cowboys, medieval, vampire...), I would watch another show! That episode is the first in, unfortunately, a long list of theme episodes on Voyager (although they also appear on TNG and DS9...). Bleh.

@ Charles They are still humans, right? If we actually had a holodeck, where do you think history buffs would like to spend their time? I'm sure plenty of people would like to try their hand as an Old West Sheriff, or maybe Caesar of Rome. At least I would. ;)

Ugh, I hated this one. But before I get into my rant, just a few comments on the episode itself. It was awful. I mean, it's not just that the show was yet another holodeck malfunction episode. Or even that it was yet another random energy being episode (seriously, that's the third one this season!). It wasn't just the rotten awful science, which just sounds like stringing a bunch of random words together (a trend I'm starting to get real sick of). I mean, unusual photonic energy? Really? How are photons unusual? But it was a dumb plot too. So Grendel just sits in the barn or whatever instead of going out to find his little comrades? Why did the Doc hang around talking to everyone when he was immaterial, and so could have waltzed right to the barn? Meanwhile, the whole point of sending the Doctor was that everyone thought Grendel couldn't kill him, but then Grendel chopped his arm off (now that's ironic...). So Janeway says it's a delicate first contact situation, but then sends the Doc back. Which is ridiculous, since he's not in any less danger than anyone else! Not that it matters, since the "delicate negotiation" was quite simplistic. Quite lucky that all it required was releasing the caged being in front of Grendel. But no, that's not the real problem of the episode. The real problem is that there's no use pretending anymore. The Doctor is clearly sentient. And that's terrible. See, up to this point, we could believe that he wasn't sentient. He certainly didn't act like it in the pilot, freaking out at the thought of being the only Doctor. Sure, it kinda went back and forth, but we could still claim he wasn't sentient. That all of his odd personality quirks were just programmed into him. He wasn't singing yet, and he wasn't living his own life yet. But now he chose a name, built a friendship with some holodeck character, and felt heartbreak. He's sentient. Doesn't anyone remember Measure of a Man? People claim it's one of their favorite TNG episodes, but it is destroyed by the Doctor. See, Picard and Guinan didn't actually prove Data's sentience. They only pointed out the devastating consequences if they were wrong. If Data was sentient, and Starfleet judged against him, then Starfleet would be allowing for the creation of a slave race. It was that reason why the magistrate refused to judge against him. This was a message partially reinforced in The Offspring and fully reinforced in Quality of Life. And yet the message is blatantly, brutally eliminated here. Starfleet has essentially created a slave race. That's what this episode means. If the Doctor is sentient here, then it presumably means that he was always sentient. It's hard to imagine him becoming sentient in only a month or two, after all. Which means there are hundreds of sentient beings, locked away in computers, summoned only when needed, ignored the rest of the time. Hundreds killed without a choice in the Dominion War. Crusher sacrificed one to the Borg. All sentient, all without a choice. And yet he's such a popular character. Just because he's sarcastic and snarky and Picardo does a great job. But it's hard to enjoy his character when it goes against everything the show claims. Now, I'm not one to say the show should always agree with me. I find Starfleet ethics to be poorly thought out, juvenile, or downright evil at times. But the problem is that this goes against everything in Trek ethos. It's a joke of an idea. And no one seems to care. This little problem is never, ever brought up. Well, I vaguely recall it being brought up a lot near the end of the show, but they had to turn the doctors into miners (the universal symbol of creating evil slave owners) in order to show it. They didn't want to admit that they made a huge mistake here. It didn't have to happen that way. Instead we could have had the Doctor denying his sentience for a season or two. Why not? Why do we need a repeat of Data? Why not have a character that doesn't want to be human? All they had to do was keep him wanting to be nothing more than a Doctor for a little while longer. Kes would need to keep working at it, or maybe even give up. Perhaps he would eventually gain sentience over time. But then that would make him unique among the holographic doctors. Then it would be ok for Starfleet to use them like that. But alas, the damage is done. Nice to know the producers no longer care about Data.

Just to throw a bit of a monkey wrench in your argument.... I think the doctor was not sentient at this point in the sense that he is more than the sum of his programming inputs/commands. He's specifically programmed to have compassion because he's a doctor. I think he might experience some stray feelings for her, but it's not until Lifesigns that I personally consider him sentient. "EMH: I've been experiencing periodic lapses in concentration and difficulty handing objects. There may be a malfunction in my tactile acuity subroutine." "EMH: You said before you knew me that you were just a disease. Well, before you, I was just a projection of photons held together by force fields. A computerised physician doing a job, doing it exceptionally well, of course, but still it was just a profession, not a life. But now that you are here and my programming has adapted, I'm not just working anymore. I'm living, learning what it means to be with someone, to love someone. I don't think I can go back to the way things were, either." Before he figured out he was falling in love he thought the symptoms were a malfunction. Which, to me, means this was the first time he really experienced events that triggered "feelings" that weren't part of his original program. So to recap 1) In S2s Lifesigns he starts experiencing feelings that were not part of his initial programming. Kes suggests that it was his adaptive program adapting. 2) In S3s Darkling and Real Life he starts projects to improve himself... tweaking his personality and imagining having a family. These are things that teenagers go through (trying on new personality aspects/imagining their life in the future). So now we have him experiencing emotions that weren't intended and life goals beyond being a doctor. 3) In S4 he finds a kindred spirit in Seven, another outsider and takes her under his wing as they explore the human condition together. 4) It all comes to a head in S5's Latent Image when he uses those emotions to affect a decision. In the situation in this episode I imagine his program flips a coin as he himself suggests "Two patients, for example, both injured, for example, both in imminent danger of dying. Calculate the variables. My programme needs to ascertain which patient has the greater chance of survival, and that's the one I treat. Simple. But, what if they have an equal chance of survival? What then? Hmm? Flip a coin? Pick a card?" It was here when he first made a decision based on his own emotions, friendships and life. If you don't consider him sentient before now he certainly is by this point. And this happens 18 months earlier, right before Seven joins... so I'd peg his sentience as occurring somewhere between late S2 (Lifesigns is episode 19 that season) and late S3 with him fully realizing/dealing with the implications of it in early S5. To me, saying he is sentient as early as this episode grants sentience to Vic (he has emotions/frienships as well), Minuet, Janeway's Michael (who experiences heartbreak) and other assorted holodeck characters. I'm just not willing to concede the Doctor is sentient here.

I actually think that despite Voyager's flaws the Doctor has one of the top 5 or higher personal arcs in all of Star Trek. He starts off little more than a tool, begins to consider having a life, makes friends, aspires to be humanoid (because being such an outsider is isolation), falls in love, develops his personality and hobbies, has goals, deals with the consequences of sentience (Latent Image), takes on a pupil, eventually stops wanting to be human and embraces what he is, dabbles with wondering where he belongs and eventually even gains the ability to side against his friends in a hologram civil war and even nearly murder someone in Critical Care. The only serious misstep in his arc (in my opinion) is the way that in Equinox deleting his ethical subroutines turn him into a mindless slave for the Equinox crew. I feel like that did him a disservice considering how far he'd come. I'd sort of preferred for them to have deleted the ethical subroutines and to have had him turn around and murder Ransom. Without ethics I'd still be me, I'd just not care how I went about accomplishing my goals anymore. So it sucked that they deleted that and he wasn't him anymore. But really that's one of very, very few problems with his arc over 7 years and it's the only glaring one to me.

Skeptical & Robert, The EMH is one of my all-time favorite characters. Robert expertly listed and discussed his path throughout the series so I won't regurgitate. The issue of "sentient" was brought up by Skeptical. I don't think in any way how Doc was treated/revealed throughout the series counters or minimizes the "Data is not a toaster" decision in MoM (the most over-rated episode in Star Trek history). After all the hub-ub, Data wasn't proven sentient, he was granted permission to choose. That specific term wasn't even brought up in 'Author Author" (VOY’s MoM episode). Here is the ruling: "ARBITRATOR: We're exploring new territory today, so it is fitting that this hearing is being held at Pathfinder. The Doctor exhibits many of the traits we associate with a person. Intelligence, creativity, ambition, even fallibility. But are these traits real, or is the Doctor merely programmed to simulate them? To be honest, I don't know. Eventually we will have to decide, because the issue of holographic rights isn't going to go away. But at this time, I am not prepared to rule that the Doctor is a person under the law. However, it is obvious he is no ordinary hologram and while I can't say with certainty that he is a person, I am willing to extend the legal definition of artist to include the Doctor. I therefore rule that he has the right to control his work. I'm ordering all copies of his holo-novels to be recalled immediately." So I think ST has aptly dodged the "sentient" issue with Data and The EMH.

Thanks for the comments. I freely admit to not being as well versed in the Doc's story as others; this is my first time watching Voyager since it was on the air. So perhaps the Lifesigns episode does make it clear that he wasn't sentient at this point. But I've been specifically watching for this since Caretaker, and he passed my Turing Test in this episode. There were some arguable points beforehand, namely his encouraging nature towards Kes' studies and his bruised ego when Lt. Extra refused to talk to him. But the first one could be seen as an outgrowth of his nature as the EMH (Kes' studies would improve his efficiency), and the second can be somewhat argued in that sense. But here? He chooses a name and, more importantly, chooses to avoid that name because it was associated with an emotional loss. There's no way to reconcile something that personal with programming for an EMH to me. That was very personal on his part, very emotional. How was it anything but sentience? As an aside, Minuet never seemed to be sentient to me; everything she did was in accordance with the goal of keeping Riker in the holodeck. Vic is a bit trickier, but he was specifically programmed to be genial and to appear sentient (as in, specifically programmed to realize he was a holodeck character). The most questionable part of Vic was his sneaky way of getting Odo and Kira together; that seemed above and beyond what a program might do. But only maybe, so one can still assume Vic was not sentient. By the way, one point I forgot to mention. In the episode where the Doctor gets transferred to the Alpha Quadrant and meets the EMH Mk 2, the new EMH seems awfully jealous of the Doctor's experiences, particularly regarding sex if I remember correctly. And this EMH was brand new and had no life experiences. Again, this is sounding like a character that is sentient right away, rather than one that can become sentient. Of course, this is the Mk 2 version, so maybe it's just more advanced programming. But then my complaint about the Federation creating a slave race would still apply to the new set of EMHs, even if it doesn't apply to this set. In any case, if Lifesigns walks this episode back some, I will be a bit happier, although I still think the producers were too cavalier with this character. And I'm glad to see, as Yanks pointed out, that even the Federation seemed to view this particular EMH as unique, which suggests he did gain sentience rather than always had it (or gained it way too easily). While there may be some ethical concerns with dealing with mass producing a group of non-sentient programs that have the capability of becoming sentient, it's a different question than mass producing those that are sentient, so I'll let it slide. At least Beverly wasn't throwing a newly born sentient being at the Borg in First Contact. I agree that Picardo's Doc is an absolute joy to watch, but I fear sometimes that the characterization itself is not that great. I enjoy watching him, even if I don't agree with the way the writers handle him. Personally, I always liked the Data episodes that help to highlight his IN-humanity, because that's what makes him different or unique. My impression at least is that there weren't too many of those shows for the Doctor (Latent Image being one I did like). Personally, I would have been happy watching an EMH that was completely against learning anything new or thinking like a person for a season or two. It'd be a refreshing change of pace to see a computer not want to become human for once.

"But here? He chooses a name and, more importantly, chooses to avoid that name because it was associated with an emotional loss. There's no way to reconcile something that personal with programming for an EMH to me. That was very personal on his part, very emotional. How was it anything but sentience?" A dog can mourn their owner but I'm not sure a dog is sentient. I think that in this episode the Doctor became more than a toaster (it's definitely the first real step on the journey I mentioned), but I'm not sure I'd grant you sentience.

And I do get your point about a slave race and that the EMH Mk2 having... "desire for improvements" out of the box may have been problematic. I will also throw out there that it is possible (although never mentioned) that Voyager's EMH can only become sentient because of the bio gel packs. Some of his circuitry is biological. I'm actually kind of sad they never went there with that.

I've always thought Data was sentient. Data was a commissioned officer in Star Fleet and should have had all the rights along with the responsibilities that come with that. One of the reasons I'm not a MoM super-fan like most. The trial should have never happened. You can read my review here on the MoM page if you want further elaboration. But the question of "Sentience" is quite the discussion. From MoM [TNG]: "PICARD: Commander, would you enlighten us? What is required for sentience? MADDOX: Intelligence, self awareness, consciousness." From Webster: "1: responsive to or conscious of sense impressions 2: aware 3: finely sensitive in perception or feeling" I would say Data has demonstrated throughout the series that he has met that criteria. With #3 and "consciousness" being debatable as Data has stated many times he has no feelings. So I guess the big question mark when talking about the EMH is do these definitions reveal him to be sentient? I'm not so sure. He is a computer program, while data has the positronic brain. I think I see a difference there. Topic for another day I guess :-) But I find it a little surprising that Trek never really took a stance on this subject.

@Robert, re: Gel packs : It's a good thing they didn't go down that road, because it would weaken the precedent set in MoM, Quality of Life and the Doc's arc (especially "Flesh and Blood") that AI is just as valid as organic life. I think it's a stronger argument to say that what makes a life truly worthwhile is not whatever endowments are bestowed by a lifeform's creator (be it parent, programmer or divinity), but how those endowments are put to use. That idea is fully embraced in "Latent Image," vis-à-vis "La VIta Nuova."

I didn't mean that he should have been brought to life via the gel packs because life can only be organic, I just meant that if, in THIS case the Voyager Doctor was special because the organic circuitry components had bestowed a uniqueness unto him in the vein of Data's positronic brain... it would have made the slavery issue with the other EMHs less disturbing. And our EMH is not always in contact with the organic gelpacks (like when he's in the mobile emitter) but maybe they could have been the thing that gave him the so called "spark of life". It would of course weaken some S7 storylines (like Flesh and Blood and Author Author) but I think S1-S6 would hold up just fine under those conditions (and then S7 would have had to be a bit different).

I'm not sure why it's a storytelling problem if the EMHs are sentient, or are capable of becoming sentient in a really short period of time. It is certainly true that it paints the Federation in a negative light -- but that makes quite a powerful point, which is that through ignorance it is possible for people to be complicit in horrible acts. The title, "The Measure of a Man," has a double meaning (at least); it is not just about whether Data is a person, but about whether the Federation, as represented by Picard, can recognize the dangerous patterns they can fall into, and can do the right thing regardless of how hard it is. The measure of a man is partly his ability to correct himself when he finds that he has, through ignorance or insensitivity (or, indeed, malice or deliberate wrong action, though these are not the case here), in other words; and such is the measure of societies, as well. I think it's clear that no one *thought* they were making a sentient holoprogram with the EMHs, and I think that the EMHs' personality etc. were primarily just so that people could interact with them as if they were humans. However, as was pointed out in The Quality of Life, the fact that it was not the *intention* of the creators to create a sentient life form does not mean that this life form is not sentient. The Doctor doesn't immediately recognize his own potential, either, but comes to recognize it over time. If the problem here is that the Federation should have corrected itself more extensively, and sooner, and its failure to do so is evidence that it is an evil organization and thus trashes the Roddenberry ideal, well, that's something to consider -- but I think it makes sense that it's really, *really* hard for the Federation (and indeed, for the Voyager crew) to properly identify the line between artificial creation with no internal life and sentient, self-determining being.

It's an ethical problem, not a storytelling one. And in some ways it's dealt with in Author, Author with the plight of the EMH MkIs.

Yanks: "[The Doctor] is a computer program, while Data has the positronic brain. I think I see a difference there." So Doc's mind runs on the ship computer, while Data's runs on his personal computer in his head. This is a physiological difference between them, but not a philosophical one, as far as I can see. The *location* of a being's mind says nothing about its capacity for thought and experience.

Well Data's positronic net was supposedly so hard to replicate that nobody other than Soong was successful. That being said, the Enterprise's computer accidentally made a sentient hologram in Moriarty.... so that fact that life could spring out of an EMH is far from difficult to imagine given Voyager is a more advanced ship and the pre-VOY canon supports such an accident anyway. I've always liked the EMH as it connected to Data because of a few lines mentioned here and there ("The Offspring" and "Eye of the Beholder") about how hard it was for Data to transition into sentience. I actually feel like they paid a lot of that story off in Voyager. In a lot of ways it's an ongoing story that began with "Measure of a Man" and ran all the way to "Author, Author".

Peremensoe, "So Doc's mind runs on the ship computer, while Data's runs on his personal computer in his head. This is a physiological difference between them, but not a philosophical one, as far as I can see. The *location* of a being's mind says nothing about its capacity for thought and experience." I think it's a little more than that. Doc can be rewritten at a whim. Data can not. When "Data" was dowloaded into B4, he reverted back to essentially a child. Doc on the other hand just pops himself into whatever computer or 29th century mobile emitter he can find.

@Yanks - Well Data is more of a hardware program and Doc is more software. That said, you can probably make Mario entirely on a circuit board or a software exe and have it play exactly the same.

Not sure what you're saying Robert.

Andy's Friend

@Elliott, Peremensoe, Robert, Skeptikal, William, and Yanks Interesting debate, as usual, between some of the most able debaters in here. It would seem that I mostly tend to agree with Robert on this one. I’m not sure, though; my reading may be myopic. For what it’s worth, here’s my opinion on this most interesting question of "sentience". For the record: Data and the EMH are of course some of my favourite characters of Trek, altough I consider Data to be a considerably more interesting and complex one; the EMH has many good episodes and is wonderfully entertaining ― Picardo does a great job ―, but doesn’t come close to Data otherwise. I consider Data, but not the EMH, to be sentient. This has to do with the physical aspect of what is an individual, and sentience. Data has a body. More importantly, Data has a brain. It’s not about how Data and the EMH behave and what they say, it’s a matter of how, or whether, they think. Peremensoe wrote: ”This is a physiological difference between them, but not a philosophical one, as far as I can see.” I cannot agree. I’m sure that someday we’ll see machines that can simulate intelligence ― general *artificial intelligence*, or strong AI. But I believe that if we are ever to also achieve true *artificial consciousness* ― what I gather we mean here by ”sentience” ― we need also to create an artificial brain. As Haikonen wrote a decade ago: ”The brain is definitely not a computer. Thinking is not an execution of programmed strings of commands. The brain is not a numerical calculator either. We do not think by numbers.” This is the main difference between Data and the EMH, and why this physiological difference is so important. Data possesess an artificial brain ― artificial neural networks of sorts ―, the EMH does not. Data’s positronic brain should thus allow him thought processes somehow similar to those of humans that are beyond the EMH’s capabilities. The EMH simply executes Haikonen’s ”programmed strings of commands”. I don’t claim to be an expert on Soongs positronic brain (is anyone?), and I have no idea about the intricate differences and similarities between it and the human brain (again: does anyone?). But I believe that his artificial brain must somehow allow for some of the same, or similar, thought processes that cause *self-awareness* in humans. Data’s positronic brain is no mere CPU. In spite of his very slow learning curve in some aspects, Data consists of more than his programming. This again is at the core of the debate. ”Sentience”, as in self-awareness, or *artificial consciousness*, must necessarily imply some sort of non-linear, cognititive processes. Simple *artificial intelligence* ― such as decision-making, adapting and improving, and even the simulation of human behaviour ― must not. The EMH is a sophisticated program, especially regarding prioritizing and decision-making functions, and even possessing autoprogramming functions allowing him to alter his programming. As far as I remember (correct me if I’m wrong), he doesn’t posses the same self-monitoring and self-maintenance functions that Data ― and any sentient being ― does. Even those, however, might be programmed and simulated. The true matter is the awareness of self. One thing is to simulate autonomous thought; something quite different is actually possessing it. Does the fact that the EMH wonders what to call himself prove that he is sentient? Data is essentially a child in his understanding of humanity. But he is, in all aspects, a sentient individual. He has a physical body, and a physical brain that processes his thoughts, and he lives with the awareness of being a unique being. Data cannot exist outside his body, or without his positronic brain. If there’s one thing that we learned from the film ”Nemesis”, it’s that it’s his brain, much superior to B-4’s, that makes him what he is. Thanks to his body, and his brain, Data is, in every aspect, an independent individual. The EMH is not. He has no body, and no brain, but depends ― mainly, but not necessarily ― on the Voyager computer to process his program. But more fundamentally, he depends entirely on that program ― on strings of commands. Unlike Data, he consists of nothing more than the sum of his programming. The EMH can be rewritten at will, in a manner that Data cannot. He can be relocated at will to any computer system with enough capacity to store and process his program. Data cannot ― when Data transfers his memories to B-4, the latter doesn’t become Data. He can be shaped and modelled and thrown about like a piece of clay. Data cannot. The EMH has, in fact, no true personality or existence. Because he relies *entirely* on a string of commands, he is, in truth, nothing but that simple execution of commands. Even if his program compels him to mimic human behaviour with extreme precision, that precision merely depends on computational power and lines of programming, not thought process. Of course, one could argue that the Voyager’s computer *is* the EMH’s brain, and that it is irrelevant that his memories, and his program, can be transferred to any other computer ― even as far as the Alpha Quadrant, as in ”Message in a Bottle” and ”Life Line”. But that merely further annihilates his individuality. The EMH can, in theory, if the given hardware and power requirements are met, be duplicated at will at any given time, creating several others which might then develop in different ways. However ― unlike say, Will and Thomas Riker, or a copy of Data, or the clone of any true individual ―, these several other EMHs might even be merged again at a later time. It is even perfectly possible to imagine that several EMHs could be merged, with perhaps the necessary adjustments to the program (deleting certain subroutines any of them might have added independently in the meanwhile, for example), but allowing for multiple memories for certain time periods to be retained. Such is the magic of software. The EMH is thus not even a true individual, much less sentient. He’s software. Nothing more. Furthermore, something else and rather important must also be mentioned. Unless our scope is the infinite, that is, God, or the Power Cosmic, to be sentient also means that you can lose that sentience. Humans, for a variety of reasons, can, all by themselves and to various degrees, become demented, or insane, or even vegetative. A computer program cannot. I’m betting that Data, given his positronic brain, could, given enough time, devolve to something such as B-4 when his brain began to fail. Given enough time (as he clearly evolves much slower than humans, and his positronic brain would presumably last centuries or even millennia before suffering degradation), Data could actually risk losing his sanity, and perhaps his sentience, just like any human. The EMH cannot. The various attempts in VOY to depict a somewhat deranged EMH, such as ”Darkling”, are all unconvincing, even if interesting or amusing: there should and would always be a set of primary directives and protocols that would override all other programming in cases of internal conflict. Call it the Three Laws, or what you will: such is the very nature of programming. ”Darkling”, and other such instances, is a fraud. It is not the reflex of sentience; it is, at best, the result of inept programming. So is ”Latent Image”. But symptomatically, what do we see in that episode? Janeway conveniently rewrites the EMH, erasing part of his memory. This is consistent with what we see suggested several times, such as concerning his speech and musical subroutines in ”Virtuoso”. Again, symptomatically, what does Torres tell the EMH in ”Virtuoso”? ― TORRES: “Look, Doc, I don't know anything about this woman or why she doesn't appreciate you, and I may not be an expert on music, but I'm a pretty good engineer. I can expand your musical subroutines all you like. I can even reprogramme you to be a whistling teapot. But, if I do that, it won't be you anymore.” This is at the core of the nature of the EMH. What is he? A computer program, the sum of lines of programming. Compare again to Data. Our yellow-eyed android is also the product of incredibly advanced programming. He also is able to write subroutines to add to his nature and his experience; and he can delete those subroutines again. The important difference, however, is that only Soong and Lore can seriously manipulate his behaviour, and then only by triggering Soongs purpose-made devices: the homing device in ”Brothers”, and the emotion chip in ”Descent”. There’s a reason, after all, why Maddox would like to study Data further in ”Measure of a Man”. And this is the difference: Soong is Soong, and Data is Data. But any apt computer programmer could rewrite the EMH as he or she pleased. (Of course, one could claim than any apt surgeon might be able to lobotomise any human, but that would be equivalent to saying that anyone with a baseball bat might alter the personality of an human. I trust you can see the difference.) I believe that the EMH, because of this lack of a brain, is incapable of brain activity and complex thought, and thus artificial consciousness. The EMH is by design able to operate from any computer system that meets the minimum requirements, but the program can never be more than the sum of his string of commands. Sentience may be simulated ― it may even be perfectly simulated. But simulated sentience is still a simulation. I thus believe that the EMH is nothing but an incredibly sophisticated piece of software that mimics sentience, and pretends to wish to grow, and pretends to... and pretends to.... He is, in a way, The Great Pretender. He has no real body, and he has no real mind. As his programming evolves, and the subroutines become ever more complex, the illusion seems increasingly real. But does it ever become more than a simulacrum of sentience? All this is of course theory; in practical terms, I have no problem admitting that a sufficiently advanced program would be virtually indistinguishable, for most practical purposes, from actual sentience. And therefore, *for most practical purposes*, I would treat the impressive Voyager EMH as an individual. But as much as I am fond of the Doctor, I have a very hard time seeing him as anything but a piece of software, no matter how sophisticated. So, as you can gather by now, I am not a fan of such thoughts on artificial consciousness that imply that it is all simply a matter of which computations the AI is capable of. A string of commands, however complex, is still nothing but a string of commands. So to conclude: even in a sci-fi context, I side with the ones who believe that artificial consciousness requires some sort of non-linear thought process and brain activity. It requires a physical body and brain of sorts, be it a biological humanoid, a positronic android, the Great Link, the ocean of Solaris, or whatever (I am prepared to discuss non-corporeal entities, but elsewhere). Finally, I would say that the bio gel idea, as mentioned by Robert, could have been interesting in making the EMH somehow more unique. That could have the further implication that he could not be transferred to a computer without bio gel circuitry, thus further emphasizing some sort of uniqueness, and perhaps providing a plausible explanation for the proverbial ”spark” of consciousness ― which of course would then, as in Data’s case, have been present from the beginning. This would transform the EMH from a piece of software into... perhaps something more, that was interwoven with the ship itself somehow. It could have been interesting ― but then again, it would also have limited the writing for the EMH very severely. Could it have provided enough alternate possibilities to make it worthwhile? I don’t know; but I can understand why the writers chose otherwise

Andy's Friend, good stuff. I think I can address much of what you say, in support of the idea that the Doctor (as I call him, distinct from his original EMH programming) as a sentient being. (I'm not deeply attached to the argument though, and have not seen all of Voyager, so I'm interested in counterarguments.) For now I will just take one point, that of Data's BODY. Is this really a key aspect of his personhood, helping establish his sentience versus the Doctor? I say No: Remember when Data's head was detached in "Time's Arrow." Suppose his body had been lost or destroyed. Then the head is found. Nobody in Starfleet has the ability to make another Soong-quality android body for him, at least not right away. So Geordi wires the head up to ship power, to whatever minimum support systems it needs to 'wake up' and talk to his Enterprise friends. If you like, we can even suppose that the head is mechanically damaged--his eyes, ears, and mouth don't work properly--so he needs external input/output devices hooked in too. But the positronic brain is intact. Is Data no longer Data? Is he *no longer* sentient? Of course not! He's still alive, and everybody is glad... he's just suffered a kind of severely disabling injury, that he may eventually 'recover' from if a new body is built. The PERSON = the MIND. If a mind fulfills the measure of a "man," it does not matter what kind of physical infrastructure is carrying it... if any.

Ooh, okay. Very interesting post, Andy's Friend, continuing the discussion in an interesting way. I think that this is a tough topic, and so rather than respond directly, I'm going to expand a bit on what my assumptions are for the story. I think there are two ways to consider the sci-fi elements in Trekdom (and in most SF works generally). They aren't mutually exclusive entirely, and there is some overlap, but they are still somewhat distinct. One is to use the future setting to consider aspects of our human present and past, of what it means to be human, animal, alive. The other is to consider the implications of the rapid technological progress and/or the potential implications of what we might find in space. *Most* alien species are basically about humans, full stop; a very select few aliens in Trek are something like an attempt to imagine what a truly alien creature might be like. With the artificially intelligent characters, who may or may not be capable of sentience as we see them, we can read them a few ways. I think that the story does mostly come down on the side that Data is sentient. We cannot guarantee that he is, for the same reason that we cannot guarantee that other humans are sentient; about as far as we can get with absolute certainty is Descartes' "I think, therefore I am," because what I experience as my own consciousness and existence may not exist in other humans. Fortunately for everyone, the vast majority of humans have little difficulty in taking that extra leap in recognizing that other people, who are so similar to us in biology, behaviour, etc., probably have inner lives somewhat similar to our own. With non-human animals, things become trickier. Elephants can recognize marks on themselves in mirrors, and so that's viewed as something of a mark of sentience. But we can easily program simple mechanical or electrical systems to self-regulate without any need to call them sentient. For the most part, with the animal kingdom, we are willing to extend certain aspects of consciousness to them insofar as they reflect human behaviour, brain activity, and the like. There are some AI in TOS, with the various sentient computers, and V'Ger is a big deal in TMP, but Data is the first long-term examination of this question. In a sense, even Moriarty just starts as a reflection of Data (appearing in a Data-centric episode, and whose second appearance in "Ship in the Bottle" leads to him being foiled by Data) and Data's "family" of Lore, Lal, and Juliana are iterations of him. The Exocomps are the other major figure. Now if we take this as a simple story about humans, Data's presumptive sentience becomes this: if we view the universe in purely deterministic terms, and believe that the soul is not some kind of divine, God-granted spark, how do we know it exists at all? Data is one way of looking at the mechanical nature of man, head-on; he is like a human who recognizes that everything that goes on in his brain is a series of electrical impulses, and *knows* it to a degree where he can do self-diagnostics, and the like. He is self-aware in a frightening way. (There is some similarity to Watchmen's Dr. Manhattan, here.) The faith required to view Data as sentient, even though he might "just be" a mechanical replica of a person, programmed to act as if he is human, who lacks some of the traits that we closely associate with humanity (like emotion), is a way of coming to terms with our own partly mechanical nature, and recognizing that even if we are physical beings we still have something like, as Captain Luvois says, a soul. I'm not speaking about the divine spirit or whatever; I'm trying to find a word for sentience, consciousness, an inner life, etc. On a technological level, this also has the second implication: if humans have sentience which is not the result of a divine spark or even necessarily something special about our biology, why *couldn't* a purely artificial, manmade life form, exist, which has just as much inner life as we humans do? The two points here -- the way in which humans are like Data, and the possibility that a mechanical man like Data could be produced who is like humans -- are interrelated. Now, I don't know what it is that produces this inner life in humans; I think that animals, especially ones close to humans biologically, have something similar, though maybe to a different degree, but they are not really able to communicate with us, so it's not exactly easy. It's actually quite easy to recognize Data as being like a human, because ultimately, while he's got a funky positronic net which functions in ways we can't understand (because, obviously, the writers don't know how it works because they're writers, not 24th century scientists), he still has several traits we do associate with humanness. He looks human, acts kind of human, can communicate with humans, has a discrete body with a brain, located in his head, and which is based, in certain respects, on the human brain. Andy's Friend points out that it's only members of the Soong Family who can exert real control over Data's programming -- that's Soong and Lore. The Borg Queen manages to hack into it in First Contact, but the Borg exert similar control over human bodies because of their scary ability to manipulate biology and technology. I agree that this is important for the story, and I think that's partly because, as we know from "Datalore" onward, Data's very emotionlessness is at least partly because Soong's attempt to make an android as close as possible to a real human led to creating a murderous, vindictive monster (Lore), and Data is hamstrung a little by limitations built into him, which Soong is still working on fixing. Well, there's more to say about that some other time, but yeah, I agree that it's an interesting exception in Data's case rather than the rule; Soong (and Lore, who acts in his stead) can manipulate fundamental aspects of Data in the way that only families/formative influences can. So if consciousness is not actually dependent on having a carbon-based, DNA-based, brain-with-axons-and-neurons-etc. body, as is suggested by Data, what other requirements can be dropped? The Exocomps in "The Quality of Life" are designed (by the writers) to be as weird, robotic, NON-human looking as possible, beings that humans have no particular investment in empathizing with the way we do automatically, I think, empathize with Data, if for no reason than that he's played by a human actor. I think there are implications to real biological life form issues of the day, too, in that episode, where Data takes an extreme position that the fact that we can't fully communicate with these beings doesn't mean that they aren't alive, and possibly even intelligent life, possibly deserving of the same rights as anyone. This is a real issue when it comes to animal life today -- it's an uncommon position, to be sure, that animals are just as sentient and just as deserving of the right to live as humans, and it's a position a bit too extreme for me at the moment. Still, I think the episode is partly about how humans naturally empathize with people who set off alarms as being Like Us, and who can communicate with us, and that's not the sole metric that we should use to determine the rights of another. From a tech perspective, the episode is asking whether our willingness to accept Data is just because Data was *designed* to be sentient; what if sentience really just...happens, without it being intended? Or what if it happens in a creature created by humans (or humanoids generally) looks and behaves in a way totally different from humans, but nevertheless has something of consciousness? The holograms, starting with Moriarty and then going through the EMH and then the holograms in season seven, don't have the same issue as the Exocomps, but they take a similar position in terms of expanding the parameters under which sentience, inner life, etc., can be achieved. The Exocomps look totally inhuman, but are still discrete objects -- which is part of the trick, is that they can only be observed from the outside, especially since they are not, it seems, designed to communicate directly. The holograms are definitely designed to communicate directly, and are indeed human-looking. Yay. But they have no discrete body (their body is just projections of light), and no "brain" -- their processor is distributed throughout the ship's computer. And that's weird and funky and does that really make sense? I guess if I'm willing to accept Data as sentient, I'm not sure why the EMH would be different. In his case, the "human" elements of the story are something similar to Data's story, though the perspective is slightly different. There are some pieces of info about slavery, human rights, and the difficult process of coming to terms with what, generations hence, will seem obvious: that people who *seem* remarkably different are actually quite similar, internally. In tech, it's the movement from hardware to software. And really, I'm not sure why the difference between hardware and software would be what determines that Data is sentient and the Doctor isn't. That the Doctor's program can be more easily altered is partly because thinking about the human brain more as software than hardware enables us to think of the human brain as more malleable without having to do physical changes -- the modifications to the Doctor in some ways are closer to behavioural conditioning, whereas the modifications to Data are more like radically altering his thought processes with drugs. But it is also because the Doctor starts off as presumptively Starfleet/Voyager *property*, in a way that Luvois ruled that Data wasn't in "The Measure of a Man." Data was Soong's creation, and it's only Soong, Juliana and Lore who feel like Data is actually their *family*, their child/little brother; Soong and Lore manipulate Data, and Soong and Data deactivate Lore. The Doctor is actually the property of Voyager, on some level, and that makes Janeway (and briefly Ransom, when he's hijacked) more directly his "parent" than Picard is of Data. Some of the stories for both Data and the Doctor are about a coming of age, but though Data's initial *personality* is in some ways more naive than the Doctor's, since the Doctor's personality is based off Zimmerman, the Doctor is the one who effectively grows from infancy to adulthood over the course of the series, with Data entering the stage as something like an adolescent-orphan whose mostly-offscreen family still hold greater sway over him than one would expect. I think the difference between the Doctor being modifiable by the crew and Data's being modifiable mostly only by the Soong family is because the Voyager crew *are* in a sense the Doctor's family, if his adoptive family (with absentee father Zimmerman only making a few appearances, and only one in Voyager as himself rather than a hologram of himself). All that said, the fact that the Doctor (and Data) state that they are sentient or alive is no proof that they are. Any C++ "Hello world" program that adds an extra line, "I am a sentient program!" *claims* to be sentient. Data and the Doctor, I think, pass the Turing test, but that is more a guarantee that their ability to mimic human (or sentient) behaviour is really exceptionally good than any guarantee that they are actually alive, or have internal life. The fact that Data and the Doc are compelling characters is no more an argument, either. I mean, the other big function of holodeck stories is to talk about fiction and what fiction does, in the shows; I think the Fair Haven storyarc, such as it is, is at least partly about the way fictional characters FIGURATIVELY come alive and become meaningful to us, RATHER THAN actually saying that fictional characters REALLY come alive. In our real-world frame, Data and the Doctor are fictional creations, and a smart enough, complex enough set of code could create characters that are more complex, and behave in a umber of different *fully determined* ways than fictional characters in games or choose-your-own-adventure stories or whatever can today, and it doesn't necessarily mean they're anything other than fictional creations. So how do we determine if a being is really real, and has internal life, or is just really good at imitating it? Well, um...I don't know. I don't think that it's at all obvious that sentience or inner life is tied to biology, but it's not at all obvious that it's wholly separate from it, either. MAYBE at some point neurologists and physicists and biologists and so forth will be able to identify some kind of physical process that clearly demarcates consciousness from the lack of consciousness, not just by modeling and reproducing the functioning of the human brain but in some more fundamental way. Then we'll have an answer. For now, I think these stories have a certain amount of appeal both as a warning to take the rights of created life forms which may potentially have this inner life/sentience seriously, and to help us think critically about what it is about us that makes us special, which is probably not ultimately a matter of the exact type of hardware that we are running, though it may turn out that it's not entirely separate from it.

Holy crap. I'll come back when I have about an hour to digest :-)

@Yanks - What I was saying in regards to hardware/software is that there is no hardware program that cannot be recreated in software. If Voyager's computer were powerful enough Data's neural net could be run on an emulator in the same way that you can run NES Roms without the original chip set. If Voyager's computer is powerful enough to run a positron net emulator is for each of you to decide, but if Data's brain can exist as hardware it can exist as software. This is not a debatable point in computing (to my knowledge). You can feel free to debate if it can run on Voyager's hardware of course (and therefore if the Doctor could never be as complex as Data). But the Enterprise S will most likely run a Data emulator. This sounds like it has some synergy with what some of you are saying but like Yanks I'll need to come back later and digest, except for me it'll be after bedtime!

And I was stating this in response to "I think it's a little more than that. Doc can be rewritten at a whim. Data can not. When "Data" was dowloaded into B4, he reverted back to essentially a child. Doc on the other hand just pops himself into whatever computer or 29th century mobile emitter he can find." The EMH can only be transferred more easily because he's a software program and Data is a hardware program. That's not as big a difference as you might think. Eventually hardware and an OS will come along that's powerful enough to run an emulator that Data could be uploaded into and become a software program.

Since I'm still reading and not sleeping I will just say that reading Andy's post he also seems to be giving preferential treatment to Data based on the fact that he is a hardware program. If I look at an h t t p://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AND_gate in Data's head and compare it to a line of C++ that says A&&B I personally find no difference except for the fact that I can change the line of code more easily than I could rewire the chip. But I don't think we should judge a program's possible sentience on how easy it is to rewrite the program, should we? William mentions the Turing test and I think it's apt. If I could make a Data emulator it'd be able to pass or fail any sentience test that Data could pass fail. But it would be more easy to rewrite it. I agree with William.

@Peremensoe: You're absolutely right about the body, of course, but I'm afraid you slightly misunderstood. It’s my fault, though: reading what I wrote again, I see that there are two instances where one can easily misunderstand me. So I’ll explain: I wasn't talking about the body as the body, but rather as some physical, tangible medium necessary for the thought processes that could lead to (artificial) consciousness. I was thus, when referring to the body and the brain, using a formula of redundancy, or pleonasm, saying essentially the same thing twice with two different words: ”body and brain”. In Data’s case, we know it to be his positronic brain. But what of the Great Link, for example? Is there any difference between body and brain here? But you must forgive me; this is a literary technique much used in old documents, and something that I have researched extensively for late 15th and early 16th century sources: "Your rights and privileges; your heirs and successors; your fortune and goods", and so on and so forth. All this might mean the different things mentioned ― there is a difference between say, heirs and successors ―, but quite often such pairs would be mere rhetorical devices to say the same thing twice and thus aggrandize the person in question. (Off-topic: To give a famous example, Columbus was made ”Viceroy and Governor-General” by royal decree in 1492. But at this time this was the exact same thing, with a mere difference of semantics: the terms emphasize different qualities of the same: "Viceroy" emphasizes the representative role ― he’s a representative of the Monarch ―, while "Governor-General" emphasizes the active, administrative role: he’s a general governor. But at this time in history in Spain, there was no difference: the Viceroy also governed, and the Governor-General also represented the Monarch. It's a bit like "Minister" and "Secretary of State", or ”Marshall” and ”Constable”, at various times in history and in various countries. In the Crown of Aragon, for example, at this time the word "Vicerex" or viceroy is used in documents in Latin, but in documents in Catalan the word most often used was "Lloctinent" or lieutenant ― for the exact same individual, in the same capacity, as governor of say, Sardinia. The idea of exact nomenclatures is a fairly modern one, as a result of more advanced burocracies and standardization emerging especially in the 18th century. So, my dear and beloved friend, that was the explanation to my "body and brain" ;) Now to answer: as I indicated, "It requires a physical body and brain of sorts, be it a biological humanoid, a positronic android, the Great Link, the ocean of Solaris, or whatever." In the example I gave, I don't know where the Great Link's body ends and the brain begins, or even if there is such a differentiation (I'm almost certain there isn't, when you're dealing with beings that can exist as fog). But there is something... ― something else, beyond bits and bytes and strings of command that clearly must mean something for the possibility of thought process and consciousness. Or, to respond directly in your words: the Doctor has no MIND. Please read my next answer also, to William B.

@William B, thanks for your reply, and especially for making me see things in my argumentation I hadn’t thought of myself! :D @Robert, thanks for the emulator theory. I’m not quite sure that I agree with you: I believe you fail to see an important difference. But we’ll get there :) This is of course one huge question to try and begin to consider. It is also a very obvious one; there’s a reason ”The Measure of a Man” was written as early as Season 2. First of all, a note on the Turing test several of you have mentioned: I agree with William, and would be more categorical than him: it is utterly irrelevant for our purposes, most importantly because simulation really is just that. We must let Turing alone with the answers to the questions he asked, and search deeper for answers to our own questions. Second, a clarification: I’m discussing this mostly as sci-fi, and not as hard science. But it is impossible for me to ignore at least some hard science. The problem with this is that while any Trek writer can simply write that the Doctor is sentient, and explain it with a minimum of ludicrous technobabble, it is quite simply inconsistent with what the majority of experts on artifical consciousness today believes. But... ...on the other hand, the positronic brain I use to argue Data’s artificial consciousness is, in itself, in a way also a piece of that same technobabble. None of us knows what it does; nobody does. However, it is not as implausible a piece of technobabble as say, warp speed, or transporter technology. It may very well be possible one day to create an artificial brain of sorts. And in fact, it is a fundamental piece in what most believe to be necessary to answer our question. I therefore would like to state these fundamental First and Second Sentences: 1. ― DATA HAS AN ARTIFICIAL BRAIN. We know that Data has a ”positronic brain”. It is consistently called a ”brain” throughout the series. But is it an *artificial brain*? I believe it is. 2. ― THE EMH IS A COMPUTER PROGRAM. I don’t belive I need to elaborate on that. This is of the highest order of importance, because ― unlike what I now see Robert seems to believe ― I think the question of ”sentience”, or artificial consciousness, has little to do with hardware vs software as he puts it, as we shall see. Now, I’d like to clarify nomenclature and definitions. Feel free to disagree or elaborate: ― By *brain* I mean any actual (human) or fictional (say, the Great Link) living species’ brain, or thought process mechanism(s) that perform functions analogous to those of the human brain, and allow for *non-linear*, cognitive processes. I’m perfectly prepared to accept intelligent, sentient, extra-terrestrial life that is non-humanoid; in fact, I would be very surprised if most were humanoid, and in that respect I am inclined to agree with Stanilaw Łem in “Solaris”. I am perfectly ready to accept radial symmetric lifeforms, or asymmetric, with all the implications to their nervous systems, or even more bizarre and exotic lifeforms, such as the Great Link or Solaris’ ocean. I believe, though, that all self-conscious lifeforms must have some sort of brain, nervous system ― not necessarily a central nervous system ―, or analogues (some highly sophisticated nerve net, for instance) that in some manner or other allows for non-linear cognitive processes. Because non-linearity is what thought, and consciousness ― sentience as we talk about it ― is about. ― By *artificial brain* I don’t mean a brain that faithfully reproduces human neuroanatomy, or human thought processes. I merely mean any artificially created brain of sorts or brain analogue which somehow (insert your favourite Treknobabble here ― although serious, actual research is being conducted in this field) can produce *non-linear* cognitive processes. ― By *non-linear* cognitive process I mean not the strict sense of non-linear computational mechanics, but rather, that ineffable quality of abstract human thought process which is the opposite of *linear* computational process ― which in turn is the simple execution of strings of command, which necessarily must follow as specified by any specific program or subroutine. Non-linear processes are both the amazing strength and the weakness of the human mind. Unlike linear, slavish processes of computers and programs, the incredible wonder of the brain as defined is its capacity to perform that proverbial “quantum leap”, the inexplicable abstractions, non-linear processes that result in our thoughts, both conscious and subconscious ― and in fact, in us having a mind at all, unlike computers and computer programs. Sadly, it is also that non-linear, erratic and unpredictable nature of brain processes that can cause serious psychological disturbances, madness, or even loss of consciousness of self. These differences are at the core of the issue, and here I would perhaps seem to agree with William, when he writes: ”I don't think that it's at all obvious that sentience or inner life is tied to biology, but it's not at all obvious that it's wholly separate from it, either. MAYBE at some point neurologists and physicists and biologists and so forth will be able to identify some kind of physical process that clearly demarcates consciousness from the lack of consciousness, not just by modeling and reproducing the functioning of the human brain but in some more fundamental way.” I agree and again, I would go a bit further: I am actually willing to go so far as to admit the possibility of us one day being able to create an *artificial brain* which can reproduce, to a certain degree, some or many of those processes ― and perhaps even others our own human brains are incapable of. Likewise, I am prepared to admit the possibility of sentient life in other forms than carbon-based humanoid. It is as reflections of those possibilities that I see the Founders, and any number of other such outlandish species in Star Trek. And it is as such that I view Data’s positronic brain ― something that somehow allows him many of the same possibilities of conscious thought that we have, and perhaps even others, as yet undiscovered by him. Again, I would even go so far as not only to admit, but to suppose the very real possibility of two identical artificial brains ― say, two copies of Data’s positronic brain ― *not* behaving exactly alike in spite of being exact copies of each other, in a manner similar to (but of course not identical to) how identical twins’ brains will function differently. This analogy is far from perfect, but it is perhaps the easiest one to understand: thoughts and consciousness are more than the sum of the physical, biological brain and DNA. Artificial consciousness must also be more than the sum of a artificial brain and the programming. As such, I, like the researchers whose views I am merely reflecting, not only expect, but require an artificial brain that in this aspect truly equals the fundamental behaviour of sentient biological brains. It is here, I believe, that Robert’s last thoughts and mine seem to diverge. Robert seems to believe that Data’s positronic brain is merely a highly advanced computer. If this is the case, I wholly agree with his final assessment. If not, however, if Data’s brain is a true *artificial brain* as defined, what Robert proposes is wholly unacceptable. IT IS STAR TREK’S FAULT THAT THE QUALITY OF DATA’S BRAIN IS NEVER FULLY ESTABLISHED. Data’s brain is never established as a true artificial brain. But it is never established a merely highly advanced computer, either. It is once stated, for instance, that his brain is “rated at...” But this means nothing. This is a mere attempt at assessing certain faculties of his capacities, while wholly ignoring others that may as yet be underdeveloped or unexplored. It is in a way similar to saying of a chess player that he is rated at 2450 ELO: it tells you precious little about the man’s capacities outside the realm of chess. We must therefore clearly understand that brains, including artificial brains, and computers are not the same and don’t work the same way. It is not a matter of orders of magnitude. It is not a matter of speed, or capacity. It is not even a matter of apples and oranges. I therefore would like to state my Third, Fourth, Fifth and Sixth Sentences: 3. ― A BRAIN IS NOT A COMPUTER, and vice-versa. 4. ― AN ARTIFICIAL BRAIN IS NOT A COMPUTER, and vice versa. 5. ― A COMPUTER IS INCAPABLE OF THOUGHT PROCESSES. It merely executes programs. 6. ― A PROGRAM IS INCAPABLE OF THOUGHT PROCESSES. It merely consists of linear strings of commands. Here is finally the matter explained: a computer is merely a toaster, a vacuum-cleaner, a dish-washer: it always performs the same routine function. That function is to run various computer programs. And the computer programs ― any program ― will always be incapable of exceeding themselves. And the combination computer+program is incapable of non-linear, abstract thought process. To simplify: a computer program must *always* obey its programming, EVEN IN SUCH CASES WHEN THE PROGRAMMING FORCES RANDOMIZATION. In such cases, random events ― actions and decisions, for instance ― are still merely a part of that program, within the chosen parametres. They are therefore only apparently random, and only within the specifications of the program or subroutine. An extremely simplified example: Imagine that in a given situation involving Subroutine 47 and a A/B Action choice, the programming requires that the EMH must: ― 35% of the cases: wait 3-6 seconds as if considering Actions A and B, then choose the action with the HIGHEST probability of success according to Subroutine 47 ― 20% of the cases: wait 10-15 seconds as if considering Actions A and B, then choose the action with the HIGHEST probability of success according to Subroutine 47 ― 20% of the cases: wait 20-60 seconds as if considering Actions A and B, then choose the action with the HIGHEST probability of success according to Subroutine 47 ― 10% of the cases: wait 20-60 seconds as if considering Actions A and B, then choose RANDOMLY. ― 5% of the cases: wait 60-90 seconds as if considering Actions A and B, then choose RANDOMLY. ― 6% of the cases: wait 20-60 seconds as if considering Actions A and B, then choose the action with the LOWEST probability of success according to Subroutine 47 ― 2% of the cases: wait 10-15 seconds, then choose the action with the LOWEST probability of success according to Subroutine 47 ― 2% of the cases: wait 3-6 seconds, then choose the action with the LOWEST probability of success according to Subroutine 47 In a situation such as this simple one, any casual long term observer would conclude that the faster the subject/EMH took a decision, the more likely it would be the right one ― something observed in most good professionals. Every now and then, however, even a quick decision might prove to be wrong. Inversely, sometimes the subject might exhibit extreme indecision, considering his options for up to a minute and a half, and then having even chances of success. A professional observer with the proper means at his disposal, however, and enough time to run a few hundred tests, would notice that this subject never, ever spent 7-9 seconds, or 16-19 seconds before reaching a decision. A careful analysis of the response times given here would show results that could not possibly be random coincidences. If it were “Blade Runner”, Deckard would have no trouble whatsoever in identifying this subject as a Replicant. We may of course modify the random permutations of sequences, and adjust probabilities and the response times as we wish, in order to give the most accurate impression of realism compared to the specific subroutine: for a doctor, one would expect medical subroutines to be much faster and much more successful than poker and chess subroutines, for example. Someone with no experience in cooking might injure himself in the kitchen; but even professional chefs cut themselves rather often. And of course, no one is an expert at everything. A sufficiently sophisticated program would reflect all such variables, and perfectly mimic the chosen human behaviour. But again, the Turing test is irrelevant: All this is varying degrees of randomization. None of this is conscious thought: it is merely strings of command to give the impression of doubt, hesitation, failure and success ― in short, to give the impression of humanity. But it’s all fake. It’s all programmed responses to stimuli. Now make this model a zillion times more sophisticated, and you have the EMH’s “sentience”: a simple simulation, a computer program unable to exceed its subroutines, run slavishly by a computer unable of any thought processes. The only way to partially bypass this problem is to introduce FORCED CHAOS: TO RANDOMIZE RANDOMIZATION altogether. It is highly unlikely, however, that any computer program could long survive operating a true forced chaos generator at the macro-level, as opposed to limited forced chaos to certain, very specific subroutines. One could have forced chaos make the subject hesitate for forty minutes, or two hours, or forever and forfeit the game in a simple position in a game of chess, for example; but a forced chaos decision prompting the doctor to kill his patient with a scalpel would have more serious consequences. And many, many simpler forced chaos outcomes might also have very serious consequences. And what if the forced chaos generator had power over the autoprogramming function? How long would it take before catastrophic failure and cascading systems failure would occur? And finally, but also importantly: even if the program could somehow survive operating a true forced chaos generator, thus operating extremely erraticly ― which is to say, extremely dangerously, to itself and any systems and people that might depend on it ―, it would still merely be obeying its forced chaos generator ― that is, another piece of strings of command. So we’re back where we started. So, to repeat one of my first phrases from a previous comment: “It’s not about how Data and the EMH behave and what they say, it’s a matter of how, or whether, they think.” And the matter is, that the EMH simply *does not think*. The program simulates realistic responses, based on programmed responses to stimuli. That’s all. This is not thought process. This is not having a mind. So it follows that I don’t agree when Peremensoe writes what Yanks also previously has commented on: "So Doc's mind runs on the ship computer, while Data's runs on his personal computer in his head. This is a physiological difference between them, but not a philosophical one, as far as I can see. The *location* of a being's mind says nothing about its capacity for thought and experience." The point is that “Doc” doesn’t have a “mind”. There is therefore a deep philosophical divide here. The kind of “mind” the EMH has is one you can simply print on paper ― line by line of programming. That’s all it is. You could, quite literally, print every single line of the EMH programming, and thus literally read everything that it is, and learn and be able to calculate its exact probabilities of response in any given, imaginable situation. You can, quite literally, read the EMH like a book. Not so with any human. And not so, I argue, with Data. And this is where I see that Robert, in my opinion, misunderstands the question. Robert writes: “Eventually hardware and an OS will come along that's powerful enough to run an emulator that Data could be uploaded into and become a software program”. This only makes sense if you disregard his artificial brain, and the relationship between his original programming and the way it has interacted with, and continues to interact with that brain, ever expanding what Data is ― albeit rather slowly, perhaps as a result of his positronic brain requiring much longer timeframes, but also being able to last much longer than biological brains. So I’ll say it again: I believe that Data is more than his programming, and his brain. His brain is not just some very advanced computer. Somehow, his data ― sensations and memories ― must be stored and processed in ways we don’t fully understand in that positronic brain of his ― much like the Great Link’s thoughts and memories are stored and processed in ways unknown to us, in that gelatinous state of theirs. I therefore doubt that Data’s program and brain as such can be extracted and emulated with any satisfactory results, any more than any human’s can. Robert would like to convert Data’s positronic brain into software. But who knows if that is any more possible than converting a human brain into software? Who knows whether Data’s brain, much like our own, can generate thought processes that are inscrutable and inexplicable that surpass its construction? So while the EMH *program* runs on some *computer*, Data’s *thoughts* somehow flow in his *artificial brain*. This is thus not a matter of location: it’s a matter of essence. We are discussing wholly different things: a program in a computer, and thoughts in a brain. It just doesn’t get much more different. In my opinion, we are qualitatively worlds apart.

Andy's Friend, I addressed the "body" part first because I thought that was the simplest point to knock out, upon which we would all agree. To wit: we all understand, I believe, that Data's consciousness is *embodied* in his positronic brain. That's his mind; that's where his meaningful personhood actually resides. OK. So the core question for the EMH/Doctor, then, is: how and why is the embodiment of *his* mind, his personhood, in the malleable (NOT fixed-line-programming) matrix of the Voyager ship "computer" fundamentally different?

Perhaps I should note that I perceive no fundamental reason why a human mind could *not* be transcribed in a form of self-malleable "software"--the execution of which would manifest thoughts, and experience consciousness, of equivalent qualia as the biological brain's. Given sufficient as-yet-undiscovered scientific knowledge and technical ability, of course. Unless, of course, one subscribes to a supernatural/religious view of what is required for the breath of sentience into a being.

@Andy's Friend - I see your point, but yes I guess we differ on what makes a brain a brain. "Brain, brain, what is brain?" (sorry, I had to) A neuron takes an electrical input and fires an electrical output. I tend to think this is all Data's brain does (except with mechanical hardware instead of biological hardware). So regardless of if the EMH is as sentient as Data, I actually think we can eventually make a software brain and a mechanical one. Now if we'd be able to upload to it? I have no idea!

Andy's Friend, Wow, what great discussion. Not sure what to say other than I agree. You've made the case that holograms aren't sentient. (hope you are on my side in Enterprise too :-) ) Looking forward to reading more of your posts.

@ Andy's Friend : There's obviously a lot to be said in response to you--which I'll get to in another moment, but for now it's worth pointing out what I see as a fundamental flaw in your way of thinking : "2. ― THE EMH IS A COMPUTER PROGRAM. I don’t belive I need to elaborate on that. This is of the highest order of importance," There is a massive dissonance between laying a bare assumption on the table as though it were a logical axiom (needing no explanation) and then claiming that this assumption is at the very heart of your argument. Your premise needs to be proved FIRST, before you spin out your arguments. As I said, there's much more to say in reply here, but I'll get to that later.

Okay, Andy's Friend, let's get nitty gritty : "1. ― DATA HAS AN ARTIFICIAL BRAIN. We know that Data has a ”positronic brain”. It is consistently called a ”brain” throughout the series. But is it an *artificial brain*? I believe it is. 2. ― THE EMH IS A COMPUTER PROGRAM. I don’t belive I need to elaborate on that." Beyond my previous point, these are arbitrary distinctions; one can easily say that the EMH has an artificial brain, either housed within the ship or a technology nearly a millennium more advanced than ours (the mobile emitter) - OR - one can say that the EMH has an artificial brain that is non-corporeal, "cloud-based" to use a contemporary model - OR - one can say that Data is also a computer programme. We have seen Data's consciousness (for an anthropomorphic choice of words) subverted several times, but his body remains. True, in MoM, Data is concerned that his consciousness will be corrupted or even lost if removed from its Positronic housing, but that is only because Soong's technology is not yet fully understood by Starfleet, and thus mucking about with it would be dangerous. The EMH on the other hand was designed to be compatible with Starfleet technology. "But it’s all fake. It’s all programmed responses to stimuli. Now make this model a zillion times more sophisticated, and you have the EMH’s “sentience”: a simple simulation, a computer program unable to exceed its subroutines, run slavishly by a computer unable of any thought processes." You are making a big assumption here (and throughout your post) that the human mind somehow works differently, but, for all your ample detailing of computer logic, you fail to provide any evidence that human minds work differently. "You can, quite literally, read the EMH like a book. Not so with any human. " Why not? I fail to see any evidence that a human mind cannot be reduced to a compendium of data (or Data :) )--true it would be extremely long and complex--think about the VOY episode "Imperfection" where 7of9's biological functions can be regulated by the ship's computer for several seconds, but not longer (she needed her advanced Borg-tech device for that). Point being, the Borg developed technology which was powerful enough to regulate the functions (even neural functions) of a biological being, thus reducing that being's consciousness to a series of numbers. This is equally fascinating and horrifying, but it provides the context for my assertion that your separation of Data's mind and the Doc's is an arbitrary one of your own choosing, not empirically derived. "I believe that Data is more than his programming, and his brain." That is an article of faith. I have no wish to rob you of that belief, but it alone does not constitute an argument for treating the Doc differently from Data, or either differently from humans. I could say to you "I believe that a woman is less than a man," and cite various difference in biology, as well as discuss the "essences" of either sex from the perspective of what ever belief-system led me to that feeling. I sure as hell would hope that an advanced society would look at my statement, pat me on the head, send me away, and in no way subjugate a single woman on the basis of my belief.

Elliot, I'm not with you here. "Why not? I fail to see any evidence that a human mind cannot be reduced to a compendium of data (or Data :) " Provide one instance where this successfully happened in trek. Also, a main reason I see data as sentient is that he is unique. Even though there is a Lore and a "B4", they are not data. You just can't take "data" and download him into a Ipad or computer (or mobile emitter) like you can the EMH. I also don't see enough information to make the assumption that the programming in Data and the EMH are remotely the same. You had to modify Data physically to change him (emotion ship). Doc is always just a couple key-strokes away from being soneone totally different. In my view there is plenty of data that supports that these two are totally different even though they can both show similarities when dealing with situations, etc.

@Yanks : "Provide one instance where this successfully happened in trek." 1. TNG "The Schizoid Man" (Ira Graves) 2. TNG "The Nth Degree" (Lt Barclay) 3. DS9 "Move Along Home" (Sisko, Kira, Dax, Bashir) Besides this, there is no need to cite instances, because I said I see no evidence that it is not possible to do. "Also, a main reason I see data as sentient is that he is unique." Okay, well setting aside the fact that uniqueness is not a part of any definition of sentience of which I'm aware, the EMH, as soon as it begins processing input, is also unique. I think some of us are getting caught up in the notion of physicality (Data's "brain" could have just as easily been stored in his ass as his head--wouldn't that make for some amusing scenes with Geordi?) "Doc is always just a couple key-strokes away from being soneone totally different." Not any more or less than you are a spine-splitting car-crash away from being someone totally different.

To further side with Elliott here, in "Our Man Bashir" the minds of the away team was stored in the station computer. It took up so much space that it required wiping the computer, but they were still "them" when it was fixed. "ODO: So if their physical bodies are stored here, where are their brain patterns? QUARK: Everywhere else. Their brain patterns are so large that they're taking up every bit of computer memory on the station. Replicator memory, weapons, life supports." Granted it was all technobabble to get a fun romp where O'Brien wears an eye patch and Kira gets to speak in a bad Russian accent... but still, I think Trek lore and cannon as a whole side with Elliott.

I've been sided :-)

holy smokes, long comments on this one :-) I didn't like it. silly how this tentacle light being drags them in. Once again, poor stupid Harry. Paced boring. Zzzz

There is no point arguing about brain patterns in a computer. Biological brains don't work that way. We know that already (yes, we know it as a fact). And the logistics of it, not to mention the ethical questions that would bring up even if it were possible, are enormous. This episode works better technically if you are very naive to biology and science, or if you are able to ignore the silliness. I am not able to do that. And I know I say this all the time, but as always, Trek gets entertainment right, but does so lazily. It's yet another mediocre "broken holodeck" episode.

@DLPB - I'm actually agree with you here (shocking I know). But the point is that in Trek canon you CAN store brain patterns in the computer. It's a known fact. It being stupid was not what we were discussing.

Although I will point out that while I don't think the episode I cited, "Our Man Bashir", would work (ie that you couldn't transfer back and forth) I'm not convinced that you couldn't transfer some piece of yourself into a machine.

I am not sure why you think that excuses bad writing and bad science.

Elliot, In the 'Schiziod Man' Graves downloads himself into Data. Once Graves has deposited himself into the ship's computer the conscious human element was lost. This illustrates my point that this has not successfully been done and that Data is unique. It's obviously more than just a "compendium of data" as the "human element" was lost in the computer and not in Data. In the 'The Nth Degree', Barclay under alien influence now acts as the computer. This does nothing to further your argument. 'Move Along Home' - what??? Do I waste time researching this one too? Data and the EMH are different. So, I have been vindicated by doing a little research instead of just blurting out "evidence". Break... I like this episode just fine, as just about all EMH centric episodes. This one certainly has its cheesy moments. Boy, Marjorie Monaghan sure does have a unique voice. I immediately remembered her in BAB5. I was reading up on her and found our she was considered when casting T'Pol. Also interesting that she hasn't done anything in entertainment since 2005? I'll go 3 stars. Ken, I can see you and I will have many "spirited" discussions when I get to Enterprise.

Diamond Dave

Bit of a misfire this, which picks the worst of the holodeck malfunction and unwitting interaction with a sentient alien species tropes of TNG. It does however feature the Doctor heavily, which is definitely a plus, and that story line is worthy of merit. Otherwise, it's surprisingly talky for what should be an action adventure, and doesn't really hit home. 2 stars.

Thanks for this and all your other reviews, Jammer. Enjoy reading and sometimes re-reading them and the comments.

Good showcase for the holographic doctor. A little hokey but quite enjoyable.

Ironic that the most human and complex character on the show is a hologram.

I have to disagree with Jammer's review; to call this uneven episode "good" due to its character study elements and give it 3/4 stars feels excessive. I would give it 2 1/2 stars, as it reminds me more strongly of one of those middling TNG episodes where a character experienced significant growth -- i.e. Data on the holodeck -- in the middle of an incredibly dull technobabble danger story. Honestly, most of this episode's running time consists of boring filler material, with only a handful of doctor scenes to lift the tedium with a glimmer of something better, and that glimmer isn't even terribly bright. The problems with the episode are legion. First of all, the doctor doesn't even show up until the plot has nearly bored us to death, and he splits screen time with the photonic energy stuff for the remainder of the show. His scenes work okay overall, but they comprise a very small fraction of the running time, as the story devotes endless minutes of dead screen time to technobabble nonsense surrounding the obvious "misunderstood aliens" trope that we viewers figure out way before the characters. Secondly, Picardo actually is not very good in this episode, as his performance (especially compared to "Tinker Tenor" and later Doctor episodes) feels curiously low-energy and flat, signaling some uncertainty about how to play his scenes. Thirdly, Janeway's closing speech to the doctor in sickbay at episode's end feels pedantic, summarizing the story's events with a "Dr. Phil's final thought" vibe that feels hokey even by Voyager standards. As we saw right away in the pilot episode, Janeway is given to making grand speeches to her crew, but not all of these speeches work well. The final speech in this episode, far from being one of her sharpest, comes across as simultaneously condescending and forgettable. Seriously, the writers need to stop writing these moralizing "what we learned from this" screeds for Janeway to deliver at the end of each episode, as they feel a bit forced at times. There's no need to force feed obvious lessons to viewers in this way. In the end, while the doctor's first away mission to the holodeck is fitfully amusing and enlightening, there's just not quite enough of this "good material" to atone for the other 65% of the episode that is pedestrian at best.

J.B. Nicholson

It's not clear to me either precisely what are the rules of sentience in TNG/DS9/VOY Star Trek despite the importance sentience carries (sentience is a requirement for being given rights and responsibilities in the Federation). It's not clear to me that some computer-driven objects deemed sentient are genuinely deserving of rights when other computer-driven objects are not. It strikes me as a definitional problem where the definition of things is strategically set up so that some things qualify and others definitionally cannot. Put another way, it seems to me that the shows simply dictate that some are sentient (such as Cmdr. Data in that highly overrated TNG episode "Measure of a Man", and TNG's Moriarty, and Voyager's EMH is eventually given the respect of any other crewmember based initially on Kes' declaration it should be so in season 1 episodes) and some are said not to be (such as TNG's Cmdr. Maddox says about ship computers not being able to refuse a refit). I get the impression the real difference comes down to physical appearance. Ultimately the argument is about flattering the humanoids who make the definitions; the more like a humanoid the sophisticated computer appears to be, the more likely it will be deemed sentient.

We know it's only a matter of time to get the Doctor show and explore his character. Since he's a hologram, well.. it just can't be avoided that we get holodock time. But c'mon, unusual photonic activity phenomenon in protostar? then that photonic is *surprise* a life-form? Don't we have this mistaken 'phenomenon turn out to be life-form' several episodes before (The Cloud). Should I worry using my laptop now? I don't want their photonic emission to my eyes harm them if they turn out to be a life-form. It doesn't stop there. Kim now in jeopardy because somehow his biological form transform into energy on the holodeck? Suddenly holodeck turn into transporter too? This made an occassional hiccup holo-malfunction of 'safety protocol disabled' looks pretty lame eh... Oh boy... I feel sorry for Janeway, Torres, Tuvok and Chakotay sprouting nonstop technobable trying to sell this to audience for 15 minutes. They don't even look believe of what they're saying. Paris got more luck, and spared from the technobable by playing Mr. Obvious : 'Send the Doctor'. Dang it... We know all of this is just excuse for Doc to go to the holodeck, we can see it miles away the moment Kim revealed missing on holodeck. Can't they find a better excuse for that and not using the same mistaken 'phenomenon turn out to be life-form' proceed by 'holo-malfunction'?. If they can't, at least please spare us by minimize the techno-torture and make it brief.. say 5-8 minutes for the prelude. We're pretty much can guess how it's going to unfold afterwards. Doc amused by his new found experience, Doc playing along with the holo-stories, Doc encounter some problem, Doc learned something new along the way (safe bet it has something to do with humanity), and then Doc save the day. I just hope we get something new along the way, a different approach maybe?, or better, completely spoiling what we expect. Naaaah! Piccardo performed well. As expected, we get some funny remarks and amusing scene, but the guest cast is just horrible, feels like watching high school theater act. What I don't get, is why he have follow-to-the-letter the holo stories? Just interact as you need and move along with your mission, you have 3 missing crew member there, remember? I suppose Freya 'death' should be a touching moment and made us relate to how the Doc character now progress and starting feel emotion/awareness. But the story progressing so slow and predictable that it become too contrived and cheesy for me. The two character even only met for few hours at best, but Doc feel attached and painful by the loss? Here is a being that directly dealing and witness some death (even do autopsy if needed) of his fellow crewman in regular basis without so much batting an eyelash. Now suddenly he feel a great loss for some random character he just met? Talk about stretching it. Good thing Piccardo not overdo with his act, almost made me groan. I'm sorry, there's not much to offer in this episodes for me to enjoy it. The premise is silly, the execution is predictable and boring, the technobable is dreadful, the guest star is horrible, the character development is contrived and hollow. It's barely watchable, only Piccardo funny remarks that help a bit, but can't do much for the show demise. 1.5 stars

For all the talk this episode ended up creating surrounding the questions of whether the Doctor's alive, what struck me thinking about this afterward is that the episode itself doesn't actually present much evidence for it. Janeway gives the Doctor instructions, and he follows them. He allows a sword to pass through him at a crucial time, which is one of the specific things he was told he could do in this simulation. Torres and Paris are the ones who figure out that the "photonic energy" beings are life forms, and all the Doctor has to do is to bring the container of photonic energy life forms to "Grendel" and let them go, which he does. Even the scene where he comforts Freya on her death doesn't seem like a huge departure for him; despite his generally brusque demeanor, it's not hard to imagine that the Doctor was programmed to comfort people at their moment of death if there is nothing else he can do *and* there are no other more pressing emergencies. I bring this up for three reasons: 1. Despite Janeway giving the Doc a commendation at the episode's end, I don't think that his performance really was anything that should convince her that he's more than the program she thought he was, and so I don't think there's any real contradiction with her continuing to treat him sometimes as a person (for convenience) and sometimes as a non-sentient tool to be used however they need him. 2. I think this is appropriate in a sense for the Doctor's first starring-role adventure. *I'm* not really arguing the Doctor is definitely not sentient. I don't really feel like getting into it right now, but I think it makes sense to read the Doctor's story in general with the perspective that he sufficiently sophisticated (and close to humanoid -- human in particular) to qualify for personhood. There maybe weren't any occasions where he could have convincingly "proved" it in this particular story, and honestly I doubt that most officers' performance on their first away mission would really pass a more advanced version of the Turing test. 3. I think it does make the episode, already in danger of not really working, end up pretty dull. It *makes sense* for the Doctor to be a "weak protagonist" (in the sense of someone who mostly passively reacts to things, follows instructions by others, and whose big climactic action is to open a container as he was told to do by others who actually figured out why this would work), but it doesn't make for an entertaining story. This is all set up against the basic set-up of the episode, which is already *implying* more so than showing where the Doctor's arc is going. "Photonic energy" life forms, you say, in an episode starring an entity whose physical embodiment is primarily made up of light? The Voyager crew treats the "photonic energy" as something to be used and only eventually discover to their shock that it's alive? There is some contrast seemingly set up between the Doctor who can make some mild decisions and the Beowulf program, in which we get some repeated scenes (where program characters react to the Doctor in identical ways to the way they reacted to Chakotay and Tuvok, sometimes using the exact same dialogue). That the Doctor seems to respond with emotion to Freya's demise suggests also the ambiguity in general about how we respond to simulations of people vs. people. I think we're meant to understand Freya as being *definitely* a fictional character, without interior life at all, whereas the Doctor is a more ambiguous case (who I think the show will eventually suggest has an interior life). The Doctor, being a hologram himself, identifies with Freya and sees her as a person, which is maybe a signal that he doesn't see himself as meaningfully different from Freya, at this moment where he defaults to thinking of himself as only a program. But his response to Freya also mirrors the crew's response to the Doctor -- except for Kes, the crew all "know" that he is not a real person in a meaningful way, but humans (and, one presumes, humanoids as a whole) anthropomorphize objects so readily, *especially* ones that look and act human. We can probably assume -- though I forget if this is something the show gets into more explicitly -- that the EMH was designed to appear human partly in order to create some level of comfort and familiarity in patients (in emergencies, no less), and so the desire to see him as a person seems to be embedded in the whole design. The Beowulf background story seems to further suggest the way in which fictional characters "come alive" in our imagination when we are reading (or watching TV or whatever), and how good fiction generally tricks us on some (consensual) level into seeing non-living, nonexistent beings as real. I'm not really sure where I'm going with all this, and frankly I don't think this episode does either. Picardo is great and I like that we see a few different sides to him -- nervous excitement, brusque arrogance, tender grief; the episode's score is also pretty good. I don't think the tech plot has any real interest in the way it's executed (and was already mostly done in The Cloud, and not done well there either!), nor does this really do anything much with the Beowulf setting, nor does the Doctor even get to *do* much besides react. The main interest is in what the episode seems to maybe be implying, but I don't really credit the episode *too much* for that. I suspect that the "photonic energy" element was maybe meant to be an early implication about the direction of the Doctor's "photons be free" arc, but the episode seems to me to do so little with it that I can't be sure, or maybe I suspect that there was a large gap between the story-breaking stage and the actual teleplay-writing stage, where some ideas were introduced in the former but never really developed in the latter. As the first real vehicle for the Doc, I don't have that many bad feelings about it, but I don't think it's particularly good, so I'll maybe say 2 stars.

My 2 cents on the whole sentience thing, is that in Star Trek, anything can become sentient pretty much. Actual philosophy or science be damned. Holograms, nanites, V'ger, androids, crystals, the enterpise itself, photonic energy, a freaking missile warhead ffs, etc. etc. So why bother debating it at all? The debate is meaningless. Especially since neither Data or the Doc actually exist, and not enough is known about the way either one actually works in the fictional universe anyway. Also at various times the hologram Doc's program is put into the computer/human Seven's body and the humanoid Neelix's brain is put into a holographic body, and the human Graves put his brain into the positronic Data, etc. etc. Not to mention that a transporter stores not only sentient humanoid brains, and Data's positronic one, and the Doc's computer program, in it's own computer all the time. So forget debating sentience and brains and programs and stuff. Star Trek has it's own rule for sentience, and that is: Anything goes and it doesn't matter so why worry about it? As for this particular episode. It was awful. 1 star.

Sorry, made a mistake. That humanoid Vidiian's brain was put into a holographic body. Not Neelix's. Neelix was just given holographic lungs. :sigh:

So the crew have replicator rations because ordering a coffee uses up too much reserve power, but the holodeck, which must use an order of magnitude more is allowed?

Startrekwatcher

2 stars This was quite tedious and boring. Give me a break—photonics lifeforms, Beowulf, Crew turned into photonics creatures, all the tiresome medieval claptrap Thumbs way down

A Voyager fairy tale episode that gets too campy/cheesy for me. The best part of it is the doctor who faces a new situation. But it's hard to be impressed with anything here as it is a holodeck-gone-wrong episode that stems from the crew inadvertently messing with an energy life form. Too much a rehashing of old themes. While it's fine to see Doc outside of his element, the episode dragged when he's explaining himself to the king's court and getting challenged by Unferth. The commonality he has with Freya is better and he sees a bit of himself in her -- that much is fine for his character to grow. But the ending plays out all too conveniently, as is often the case with Trek. The photonic energy being release Kim, Tuvok, Chakotay after Doc releases the photonic energy being from the jar. Why didn't this photonic energy being escape like the other one did? So we know from Janeway's deductions the energy being is sentient and I guess it understands Doc's gesture. It's all too convenient and contrived for me. A low 2 stars -- for long stretches the episode was boring and silly -- reminded me somewhat of TNG's "Qpid". As in "The Cloud", the ship again inadvertently pisses off a non-corporeal alien and has to make good. TNG's "Lonely Among Us" also comes to mind. Got the usual technobabble too. Doc's performance is good and it is a great idea to give Picardo a chance to show his stuff, but it can't make up for all the other flaws.

Teaser : **, 5% The Voyager is investigating “unusual” photonic activity in a proto-star. Mkay. Torres transports a sample of “photonic matter” to Engineering after overcoming a tech hiccough. Janeway decides that Harry will assist B'Elanna with her analysis, because I guess she's in a hurry. And of course, Harry Kim doesn't deserve a social life. Well, it turns out Kim isn't aboard the ship and they can't figure out how he left. The last anyone saw him was on the holodeck. Tuvok is picking up some vague weirdness therein, so he and Chakotay head down to investigate. The holodeck can't be shut off (of course) and so the pair find themselves in a spooky forest. That's the teaser? Yawn. Act 1 : *.5, 18% The computer identifies the programme as “Beowulf.” Beowulf happens to be one of my favourite stories from childhood, so, provided the episode stays away from the technobabble nonsense, it can earn back some points. A valkyrie or whatever throws a spear at the pair and Tuvok is unable to delete her from the programme. The woman identifies herself as “Freya, daughter of Hrothgar.” Yeah...I assume she is supposed to be Freawaru. I guess Kim has done a fan re-write because Freawaru is no “shield-maiden,” she's a cupbearer and dowry for a peace treaty. Sigh...so 90s wokeness demands that a classic example of the Eternal Feminine be given a sword? It's not a huge problem, I guess. It just means, like with Vic's (eventually) on DS9, we are robbed of the opportunity to really mine the extra-Trekkian environments because of pointless anachronisms like this. Well anyway, “Freya” notes that the Indian and the black Vulcan are not Danish—sharp this one—and wonders if they might be kinsman to her Korean friend, Beowulf. Chakotay has to explain to Tuvok that Harry would be playing the protagonist in this holonovel, because...Tuvok is being written like an idiot, I guess. Freya takes the pair to Heorot to meet with Hrothgar and get an explanation about how Harrywulf died. So, we are somewhere near the beginning of the epic, with Grendel devouring the king's men one by one in the night. Hrothgar and Unferth are more or less in character, with the former resigned and pathetic, and the latter distrustful and petty. Chaktoay and Tuvok determine to assume the protagonist role and await Grendel. In the meantime, they report back to Janeway over the comm in a bizarre scene where Kate Mulgrew looks like she's trying to pop her ears during a flight. With the holodeck characters all in bed, Tuvok starts looking for a control panel to shut down the programme—because of course, this is much easier than cutting the power. Whatever spell has made the Vulcan so obtuse bleeds over into his commentary regarding their setting. Ho doesn't understand the logic of stories with monsters in them. Yeah, because Vulcans wouldn't know the first thing about confronting horrible demons that lurk in the dark shadows of the psyche. Pshh. Janeway and Torres discover some of the photonic energy from the teaser having found its way to the holodeck, naturally. Finally, we get this line: JANEWAY: We have to consider it a possibility. After all, the holodeck are basically an outgrowth of transporter technology, changing energy into matter and back again every time a programme is run. Erm...no. Normally, I don't quibble over technobabble, but entire dramatic arcs have been mapped out under the premise that holograms are holograms! That was the whole plot of “Ship in a Bottle.” Why, after all can't the EMH exit sickbay? Naran Shankar, you are trying way too hard. Well, Grendel shows up in the form of a special effect, with the transporter not working (of course), and finally Tuvok and Chakotay get gobbled up. Act 2 : ***, 18% “There are two means of refuge from the miseries of life: music and cats.” – Dr Albert Schweitzer Torres and Janeway theorise that the transporter accident in the teaser created a malfunction in the holodeck which transformed the missing crewmen into energy. Sure. Paris hits on the idea of recruiting the EMH to go back in after them, since he should be immune to whatever techno-magic is going on in the holodeck. Janeway briefs the doctor on his mission; they will adapt his matrix to give him control over his permeability (something he was able to do by himself at a moment's notice in “Phage,” but will now take 3 hours for some reason), and he will familiarise himself with “Beowulf.” In another bizarre directing choice, Kes is seen to be standing right next to the Doctor while getting briefed. Then Janeway and co. exit sickbay and he moves into his office. Kes turns 90 degrees to ask him a question and the EMH behaves as though he didn't hear Kes enter the room. What the hell? Well anyway, Kes recognises that the EMH is nervous about his first away mission. She points out how, lacking any expertise or even passing familiarity with tasks outside of medicine, this will challenge him to exceed the limitations of his programme. EMH: I can describe every detail of every piece of equipment in this Sickbay from biobed to neurostimulator, but I've never even seen a sky or a forest, let alone Vikings and monsters. I can't afford to fail but I don't know what to expect in that holodeck. She suggests it might help the EMH feel more like a person if he finally chose a name for himself. Well, the Doctor does his homework and Paris—god knows why—transfers his programme to the holodeck. Robert Picardo does a lovely job of balancing the sense of wonder he feels in this strange new environment with the EMH's all-business personality. Freya returns, and the Doctor adapts to this strange situation quickly. Freya continues to display an odd characterisation, bragging about burning halls to the ground and ravaging entire cultures. Yeesh. The EMH identifies himself to her as Dr Schweitzer—an appropriately amusing choice for a great warrior. She leads him to Heorot, making conversation about herblore or whatever along the way. FREYA: You are truly a man of many talents, Lord Schweitzer. Your people must value you greatly. EMH: You would think so. Zing. We get a repeat of the previous act, but with the EMH now occupying the protagonist's role. This time, the programme decides that Unferth would have the doctor “prove his worth” against him before being allowed to face Grendel. He draws his sword and Freya loans the EMH hers. Finally, accompanied by Christopher Reeve era Superman-inspired horns in the orchestra, the Doctor lays down his sword, makes himself impermeable and Unferth injures himself trying to slay him. Freya wets the floor over the arrival of their saviour, leading the hall in the chanting of “Schweitzer!” In contrast to early Data, what's interesting here is that, because the Doctor has an ego (a product of his programming), what began as simply the no-frills personality which would allow the EMH to triage has become his façade. The Doctor has begun to develop and inner life, and exploring that is the one of the most rewarding aspects of epic poetry and myth. Act 3 : ***, 18% So, we proceed to the feasting scene. In the poem, Beowulf has to prove himself with words as well as swords, and Hrothgar demands Dr Schweitzer regale them with glorious tales of battle. The poetic Beowulf's tales of heroism, repeated many times throughout the narrative, reveal the cultural significance of the epic; these kinds of legends are the foundation of morality and provide a framework for our actions. Why are certain actions heroic? Noble? Evil? Etc. Beowulf's tales also foreshadow his ensuing triumphs and eventual tragic end. In the holodeck, the only story the EMH can pull out is his epic tale of curing some virus we've never heard about. Sort of funny. When Hrothgar asks about Lord Schweitzer's past, all he can say is that he doesn't remember much about it. Sort of sad. Even Data had a childhood of sorts. One amusing meta-aspect to this scene is how very Klingon the Danes are (“Perhaps you have forgotten that the work of a warrior is battle not rest!”). What was it Chakotay said in “Ex Post Facto”? “In the Delta Quadrant, every old trick is new again.” Indeed. The men all head to bed, leaving Schweitzer and Freya alone for a moment. Of course, because she's the Smurfette of this village, she gets to be the greatest warrior AND do all the housework. They chat for a short while by the firelight: FREYA: Do you know what it is to be alone among many and unable to speak your fears? EMH: I think I do. FREYA: How do you survive? EMH: I'm still learning how. It would be interesting to know what the Doctor got up to during those three days the crew was being held on the Caretaker's array. Finally, she kisses him in order to “keep him warm,” leaving him to face Grendel with a holo-boner. Thanks a lot, lady. We now proceed to the part of the epic where Beowulf captures Grendel, with his superhuman strength. Fearfully, the creature struggles and struggles in vain until he rips his own arm off to escape the warrior. It's worth noting that in the poem, puns are employed to signify the meaning behind Beowulf's death-grip; holding the creature down = holding to his promise to Hrothgar, for example. In the Voyager version, a photonic fluffernutter bursts into the hall. Schweitzer manages to get a scan but when Paris returns him to sickbay, it's the hero who has had his arm “ripped” off. An amusing visual and reversal. Act 4 : .5 stars, 13% (very short) Well, back to the stupid. Torres and Janeway analyse the tricorder data and discover a synaptic pattern amongst the photonoic nonsense. “Synaptic pattern” doesn't seem to mean anything to these geniuses, so the best they can come up with is to just recreate the patterns in those samples collected during the teaser. Well, they science away and the photonic matter transforms into a mini-Grendel which tears through the ship, and into space. Oh, I forgot—Paris and Torres really want us to know how truly idiotic they've become this episode by trying to contain the creature with forcefields—which it avoids. They are just stumped as to how this is happening. Sigh...fuck me. Like Pakleds reading a fortune cookie, it slowly dawns on these two that maybe, just maybe this thing is actually a lifeform. Geeze....well, in case we spent the last three minutes shoving a screwdriver into our ears, all of this is *repeated* over the comm to Janeway. Finally, the thing breaches the hull and enters some sort of lattice. Act 5 : **, 18% Janeway reveals that they had sensor contact with the lattice long enough to detect 3, count 'em 3 “bioelectrical” patterns within. Poor Mulgrew tries really hard to deliver her brilliant deductive reasoning that these 3, count 'em 3 BIOlogical patterns might just very well be their 3, count 'em THREE missing crewmen. God. Damn it. So, the lifeforms kidnapped Harry and co. in order to enact vengeance on the Voyager crew for stealing their photonic matter. Or maybe, they're hostages? Whatever—they're incredibly alien lifeforms, so of course their behaviour is as anthropomorphic as our tiny imaginations can muster. Dr Schweitzer suggests offering the creature they still have in Engineering to Grendel, and Janeway consents. So he returns to the holodeck, carrying the creature in a jar—I bet it loves that. He finds Freya again, but this time Unferth has followed to be the arbitrary obstacle in the Doctor's way. Unable to become permeable lest he drop the “talisman” (just drop the damned thing!), Freya is forced to defend him, and finally to take a knife to the heart for him. Unferth steals the jar of light while Freya dies in his arms, a fate she foresaw. So, Lord Schweitzer takes her sword and storms the great hall. He demands that Hrothgar return the talisman to him, using the incredible force of...a torch to subdue Unferth. Huh? Whatever, Grendel reappears, the doctor releases its buddy and the creatures re-materialise Kim and the others. Well good, Garret gets a paycheque this week. In the epilogue, the EMH delivers his report to Janeway. This is an amiable scene, thankfully, in which Janeway contextualises his little adventure as a successful first contact situation ending in a peace treaty. She puts in a special commendation for the CMO, who has chosen to retire the name Schweitzer, letting it die on Freya's lips. Episode as Functionary : **, 10% So, if this episode had been written for TOS, the Enterprise would have encountered a planet where aliens had read a copy of Beowulf and re-created the story in some fashion. Because the TNG era is a bit more grounded, we substitute the “The Savage Curtain” model for the “The Big Goodbye” model. There isn't any substantive difference between the two, it's just that the producers or the writers or whoever felt that the latter begged fewer plausibility questions to a 90s audience. Maybe, but one thing TOS usually got right about these conceits was to gloss over the details and focus on the opportunities they offered for storytelling and commentary. This episode gets that about half-right. Beowulf is full of light/dark imagery which lends itself well to the theme of creatures made of light, like the EMH. The story itself is an exemplary method of connecting with the culture of antiquity. Despite some hiccoughs in the tone (getting a little too goofy at times) and the characterisation of Freya, putting the EMH in this story is quite successful. The Doctor has knowledge, he has emotion, and he has a personality, giving him an edge, one might say, over Data. But he has no real history, no lore (get it?)--exploring mythology is an excellent way to help his character discover true sentience. The decision to frame this tale with the unforgivably inane and frankly stupid photonic lifeform plot really drags the episode down, however. Every one of these scenes was a slog to sit through and did none of the characters any favours. Even reliable Mulgrew and Russ could not overcome the unadulterated tedium of this crap. What the writers should have done is condense the framing device to a single scene in act 1, let most of the rest of the episode take place in the Beowulf story with just the EMH (and completed the Beowulf story arc they ended up curtailing). Just gloss over the holodeck malfunction stuff (it's pointless anyway). The Doctor could have figured out the photonic lifeform crap on his own while in the holodeck, you know, like the audience did. Then we have the epilogue with the rescue and the commendation. That would have been a solid show. This? Half of this episode is really hard to sit though and the rest is just good enough to make you hate how banal the rest is. Final Score : **

Dreadful except for the doctor.

Doesn't anyone else think the life form launch pad or subplot about a holographic lattice was actually pretty inventive and at least somewhat unique--the kind of life form that it was I mean and how it retaliated..by sort of,converting crew members into a form of its own species...even though though it was a Misunderstood Life Form premise..it had that added layer..did anyone else think that??

Somewhat forgettable episode, already a couple holodeck episodes and we are not even half way through the first season! Two more time travel episodes, a couple more bizarre energy lifeforms, and we get a full house!

Todayshorse

I note even this early on, as Ensign Harry 'I cant get a lock' Kim was busy being converted from matter to energy blah blah blah its B' Elanna 'I cant get a lock' Torres who stands in him by being unable to get a lock resulting in the temporary deaths of Chuckles and Tuvok.

Sarjenka's Brother

The holodecks should be shut down as long as Neelix is cooking in the kitchen. 'Nuff said on that. Voyager has already made a cliche of energy searches revealing new life forms, just 12 shows in. A few lines of clever dialogue and nice performance from the Doctor just can't salvage a bad idea, but do make it go down much more smoothly. This would have been a good time for an aftermath episode from the previous episode -- menace of another sort from a different Kazon faction.

I'm glad the review mentioned the score. I generally don't notice the music apart from the theme (Voyager has an excellent opening credits sequence and it might be my favorite of the ST shows) but there were several moments in this episode where the soundtrack was quite soaring. I also thought the look of the Beowulf program was pretty solid in terms of set design and the characters within it were more fun than Holodeck Goes Awry programs generally are.

From the Memory Alpha article: "Despite not appearing in this episode, the installment was among Ethan Phillips' favorites . . . from the first two seasons to watch, as he preferred watching episodes in which he was either completely absent or had few scenes." I prefer those episodes too.

Jammer, In retrospect wouldn't you say the lifeforms plot was inventive since we've never seen the concept of an energy lattice lifeforms before or a holographic type lifers that can convert matter to energy and vice versa? I think those are pretty original sci fi concepts and life forms...

Fun fact-- Robert Picardo really wanted the Neelix role, expecting Neelix to be the breakout character. I guess it's easy to see why considering the Doctor sounds like a very dull character. Can't even leave the one set. It would be ever so slightly interesting to see what kind of Neelix he would have been.

Fun fact, Amanita Muscaria is not exactly the "deadly poisonous" fungus the show makes it out to be. It actually contains psychoactive chemicals that produce a dissociative state. It was through this state that berserkers went into their famed "rages," since they were a bit out of it, pain didn't slow them down as much as it would a sober person

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The Doctor finds love - and a temporary name - when he must venture into the a holodeck program of the ancient tale of Beowulf , in which several crewmembers have seemingly disappeared without a trace.

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Stardate: 48693.2 Harry Kim disappears from the holodeck while role-playing in his medieval holo-novel, "Beowulf." According to the characters, he died at the hands of a mystical beast called "Grendel." When Chakotay and Tuvok investigate and also disappear, Janeway transfers the Doctor to the holodeck for his first Away Mission: to investigate/rescue the three vanished crewmembers. Kes encourages the Doctor to pick a name for himself and chooses Doctor Schweitzer. In the story, he survives fear, romance, and heartbreak to unmask the unlikely trespasser as a photonic alien life form taking the form of Grendel and turning missing crewmembers into energy.

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Lieutenant Torres is excited to experiment on photonic energy samples from a protostar, but a glitch in the annular confinement causes a momentary problem. When Janeway suggests Ensign Kim could help, the computer says he's nowhere on the ship. The crew track down his last known location: the holodeck, which is now filled with photonic interference. Chakotay and Tuvok go to investigate. They discover that the holodeck is still running Kim's Beowulf program. It can't be shut down, and the safety controls are offline. Inside, they encounter Freya, a viking shieldmaiden, who says that Beowulf went to fight Grendel but was killed. From her description, Chakotay and Tuvok realize she's talking about Harry.

The pair follow Freya to the mead hall of her father King Hrothgar to get more details, claiming they are Beowulf's kinsmen and want to avenge his death. The dubious king orders them to perform sentry duty on the hall overnight to prove their worth. Their tricorder readings suggest that Kim was converted into energy by a holodeck glitch, but as they see a bright mass coalesce in the hall, Janeway loses contact with them, and they are gone, apparently converted to energy just like Kim.

Janeway recruits the Doctor to investigate next, since he's the only person on the ship who can resist the energy conversion, being converted energy himself. Kes suggests that he finalize his name selection before the mission. The Doctor's image is transferred into the holodeck, where he encounters Freya and introduces himself as Schweitzer. The pair gather some poisonous mushrooms before heading to the mead hall, where Unferth challenges the Doctor to a duel to prove his worth. The Doctor lets Unferth's sword pass harmlessly through him and then scores a hit on Unferth to win the duel, then gives the wounded thane some medical advice. The Danes are all amazed and treat the Doctor as a hero.

The Doctor waits for Grendel that night. Freya has taken quite a shine to Schweitzer and invites him to "share her warmth" in bed if he desires. But there's no time for holo-love, because Grendel shows up. It's a glowing mass of tentacles, one of which grabs the Doctor's arm. He's beamed back to safety minus the arm. Readings of "Grendel" suggest that it's a life form. When they perform tests on the photonic energy samples from the protostar, one escapes, dodging all their force fields to leave the ship and rejoin the photonic lattice outside. Janeway realizes that "Grendel" must be taking her crew hostage to demand the release of its own life forms. She gives the Doctor the remaining sample as a peace offering in hopes of convincing the lifeform they meant no harm.

The Doctor takes the sample back into the holodeck. Freya is overjoyed to see him again, and he explains the sample as a talisman to defeat Grendel. Unferth ambushes the Doctor, accusing him of being in league with Grendel, but Freya sacrifices her life to save the Doctor, and Unferth flees with the sample. Freya gives the Doctor one final kiss before he takes up her sword and pursues Unferth to the mead hall. There, he cows Unferth with a lit torch, getting him to surrender, and spares the man's life due to his Hippocratic oath. When Grendel returns, he returns the photonic lifeform and requests his crew back. Grendel vanishes, and the three missing crewmen reappear. Kim, still in Danish armor, is very confused.

Janeway announces that she's adding a formal commendation to the Doctor's file and asks if he wants to be called Schweitzer permanently, but the Doctor decides that the name is connected to a painful memory, so he won't keep it. Janeway assures him that he'll have more adventures .

This episode provides examples of:

• Action Girl : Freya, shieldmaiden and daughter to King Hrothgar.
• Action Survivor : The Doctor is no action hero but does what he needs to to stay intact and complete his mission.
• Alien Abduction : Turns out Voyager has done this accidentally, so the aliens have taken Ensign Kim in retaliation, and later Chakotay and Tuvok.
• All Up to You : While investigating Harry's disappearance, Chakotay and Tuvok also vanish after being attacked by Grendel. Given that he's a photonic being, the Doctor is sent in under the assumption that he won't be harmed. This turns out to be untrue, but he still volunteers to return to the holodeck and finish the job.
• An Arm and a Leg : 'Grendel' turns out to be an Energy Being that envelops the Doctor's arm. He's projected back to safety in Sickbay and is shocked to find his arm missing, though the damage is quickly repaired.
• And the Adventure Continues : Janeway predicts that the Doctor's adventure will be the first of many.
• Badass Boast : A righteously pissed off Doctor beats the crap out of Unferth for murdering Freya, and delivers an epic one when sparing his life: EMH: The only reason you won't die is because I've taken an oath to do no harm.
• BFS : The Danes all use big-ass (and ahistorical) longswords that are so heavy the Doctor is unable to lift it the first time he's given one.
• Canon Sue : In-Universe , as the holodeck characters are programmed to treat anyone playing the hero as a great warrior. Chakotay: We are Beowulf's kinsmen. My name is Chakotay and this is Tuvok. Have you seen Beowulf? Freya: Yes. He was like no other. Hair straight and raven black. Eyes bright with fierce fire. The burning gaze of a hero. Tuvok: Grandiloquence notwithstanding, that would qualify as a description of Mister Kim.
• A Day in the Limelight : A Doctor episode.
• This exchange:
• After Unferth sprains his wrist swiping through his intangible body, the Doctor suggests he might like to put some ice on it.
• Chakotay and Tuvok have a discussion on the use of demons in literature to cope with fear and other dark emotions. Naturally Tuvok replies that demons don't exist in Vulcan literature, whereupon Chakotay smirks and says that explains its popularity.
• Does This Remind You of Anything? : The way the holodeck characters repeat the same dialogue to each new person entering the program is meant to invoke computer Role-Playing Games .
• Energy Beings
• Freya hands the Doctor a BFS to duel Unferth. He immediately drops it.
• When the Doctor is asked to provide a Badass Boast of his deeds, he talks of curing a bad case of measles on Voyager .
• First Contact : Though it takes them a while to realise it.
• First Love : Freya to the Doctor, though, alas, it ends in tragedy. He later abandons his chosen name of 'Schweitzer' because of the painful memories it would evoke.
• Gargle Blaster Freya: We brew the Atuta into a broth which we drink before battle. It brings on the spirit of the bear and gives us strength to swing our swords . EMH: It's more likely to bring on profuse sweating, convulsions and acute delirium! This is an amonita muscaria, a fungus common to sub-arctic climates and, let me assure you, quite poisonous. Freya: Yes, but those it does not kill it makes strong . A most hardy plant.
• The Glomp : Freya embraces the Doctor after he returns, having survived his encounter with 'Grendel'.
• The Heart : When the Doctor is nervous about stepping out of the familiar confines of Sickbay, Kes inspires him with some well-chosen words.
• Holodeck Malfunction along with aspects of an RPG Episode .
• I Come in Peace : The Doctor calls on Grendel to face him. When the Energy Being bursts into the hall, he opens the sample container, freeing the smaller Energy Being in a sign of good faith, asking that their own crewmembers be returned. They are.
• I Kiss Your Hand : The Doctor is Holding Hands with a wounded Freya, and kisses her hand after she dies.
• Inherently Funny Words : 'Schweitzer' was chosen by the writers for the Doctor's name because of the Anachronism Stew humor of it being chanted by a bunch of hairy Vikings.
• Intangibility : After ineptly dueling with Unferth, the Doctor realises he's making an idiot of himself, puts away his sword and invites his opponent to take a swing. The blow passes through his holographic body, greatly impressing the Danes with his magic .
• It Can Think : The samples beamed on board Voyager turn out to be a sentient form of life. The crew only discover this when one escapes its container, breaches the hull and flees to some kind of photonic spacecraft.
• Limb-Sensation Fascination : The Doctor with his replacement arm.
• Mandatory Line : Harry Kim appears in his Beowulf costume and wants to know where he's been the entire episode.
• The Doctor loses an arm to Grendel, whereas in the saga Grendel loses an arm to Beowulf.
• Kes suggesting the Doctor take a name before going on the Away Mission may be an example, as we all know what happens to nameless crewmembers who go on Away Missions .
• The Nameless : Kes suggests that the Doctor take a name before going on the Away Mission, because it will make him feel more like a Starfleet officer. He decides to name himself after the famous doctor Albert Schweitzer. But when Freya says his name with her dying breath, the Doctor decides not to use it because of the painful association.
• The Need for Mead : The Doctor joins the Danes in feasting on elk, drinking from whatever is in the mug set before him. Later when specifically offered mead, he turns it down.
• Janeway lays a familiar hand on the Doctor's shoulder, surprising him somewhat, as he's not used to being treated like a person.
• Freya tells the Doctor it's important to stay warm , also while stroking his body. The Doctor is babbling that she's done an excellent job stoking the fire when she gives him a "Shut Up" Kiss .
• Pre-Climax Climax : Freya drops a big hint to 'Lord Schweitzer' that she's willing to offer this. Proving the oft-made comment that the crew really do use the holodeck for sex .
• Say My Name : The Doctor is pleasantly surprised when the Danes all start chanting his new name, but not so much after Freya says it as her last words.
• A Shared Suffering Freya: Do you know what it is to be alone among many and unable to speak your fears? EMH: I think I do. Freya: How do you survive? EMH: I'm still learning how.
• Take Up My Sword : A dying Freya hands her BFS to the Doctor. This time he doesn't drop it.
• Taking the Bullet : As Unferth is about to stab the Doctor (he's carrying the container holding the Energy Being , so can't turn intangible) Freya jumps in front of the dagger and is fatally wounded.
• Thou Shalt Not Kill : The Doctor doesn't kill Unferth because of his Hippocratic Oath.
• Took a Level in Badass : The Doctor after Freya dies . He takes up Freya's sword, marches into the King Hrothgar's hall, faces down Unferth with a red-hot fire iron, then makes a successful prisoner exchange with the photonic aliens.
• *Twang* Hello : Freya greets anyone entering the program by chucking her spear past their face into a tree.
• What Measure Is a Non-Human? : Even though they're just scripted characters in a standard entertainment holodeck program, the Doctor treats the Beowulf characters like real people. He refuses to kill Unferth because of his Hippocratic oath and apparently feels genuine sorrow at the death of Freya. This makes sense considering that he is himself a holographic AI.
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Opinionated Voyager Episode Guide looks at Heroes And Demons, a story about two things, showing the Doctor's character, and showing how stupid everyone is. Enjoy the sight of Harry dressed in clothing that screams 'I will always be a pathetic little ensign.'

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Marjorie Monaghan

Marjorie Monaghan ( born 19 March 1964 ; age 60) played the role of Freya in the Star Trek: Voyager first season episode " Heroes and Demons ". She was born in California.

Her previous television work includes appearances on Quantum Leap (starring Scott Bakula and Dean Stockwell ), L.A. Law (starring Corbin Bernsen and Larry Drake ), Becker (starring Terry Farrell ), and Cheers (with Kirstie Alley ). In 1993, Monaghan was a regular cast member in Space Rangers , along with Cary-Hiroyuki and Clint Howard .

Monaghan later appeared as a character named Number One and later given the name "Tessa Holloran" on Babylon 5 (starring Andreas Katsulas and Patricia Tallman ), and also appeared on Deadly Games (with Brent Spiner and Christopher Lloyd ) and Gene Roddenberry 's Andromeda .

She was considered for the role of T'Pol on Star Trek: Enterprise . [1]

She is married to Grant Rosenberg , who wrote TNG : " New Ground ".

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Warning: contains spoilers for Star Trek: Defiant #18!

Whether they realize it or not, an underrated Star Trek: Voyager species may have just saved the galaxy. While traveling the treacherous Delta Quadrant, Voyager encounters a number of new species, both friendly and hostile–most falling into the latter category. The Hirogen were one such race, menacing Voyager several times during their journey. Now, in Star Trek: Defiant #18, the Hirogen may have inadvertently saved the galaxy.

The Hirogen debuted in the fourth season Voyager episode "Message in a Bottle."

Star Trek: Defiant #18 is written by Christopher Cantwell and drawn by Angel Unzueta. Worf, Ro Laren and B’Elanna Torres are on the Antaran homeworld, on the edge of the Delta Quadrant. The Romulans are coming to Antara to strip the planet of its remaining technology, and Worf must organize the agrarian inhabitants to fight back. Not optimistic about their prospects, Worf nevertheless presses ahead. One of the Antarans takes Worf to a clearing, where two Hirogen Raiders are kept.

The ships are over a hundred years old, but are still in working condition.

The Hirogen's Star Trek: Voyager Connection, Explained

The hirogen live for the hunt, making them unlike other star trek aliens.

When Voyager was thrown 75,000 light years into the Delta Quadrant, they were in completely unknown territory. Voyager set a course for home, and right into the crosshairs of every hostile race in the Delta Quadrant. The Kazon, the Borg, the Krenim and the Hirogen all squared off with Voyager at one point or another. The Hirogen were particularly scary. They were warp-capable, but nomadic, traveling through the galaxy hunting for pure sport. The Hirogen met Janeway and her crew often, and took them down to the wire.

One of Voyager’s better developed races, the Hirogen’s single-minded pursuit of the hunt led to fascinating social mores and customs.

The glimpses of Hirogen culture and society glimpsed in Star Trek: Voyager paint a fascinating picture. One of Voyager’s better developed races, the Hirogen’s single-minded pursuit of the hunt led to fascinating social mores and customs. Voyager tried to make breakthroughs with the Hirogen, but it would not be until the ship returned home that the Federation attempted formal diplomatic relations. As revealed in Star Trek: Picard , the two powers have come to an agreement, but only after some initial misunderstandings. While it is unlikely the Hirogen will join the Federation, it is one less enemy they will deal with.

The Hirogen May Have Just Saved Everyone

Star trek is showing the true potential of the hirogen.

Just as the Hirogen’s culture produced unique customs, it gave birth to some fantastic technology as well, tech that just might have saved the galaxy. A Romulan invasion fleet is headed to Antara, which under normal circumstances would have spelled doom for the planet. Yet the presence of Hirogen raiders gives Worf and the Antarans an advantage they previously did not have. Star Trek: Voyager touched on the awesome potential of Hirogen technology, and now it will be instrumental in saving an important planet, and thus the galaxy.

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Heroes and demons (1995), marjorie monaghan: freya.

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The Doctor : My name is... Schweitzer. Doctor Schweitzer.

Freya : Schweitzer. A hero's name.

Freya : [about Beowulf]  He was like no other. Hair straight and raven-black, eyes bright with fierce fire - the burning gaze of a hero.

Lieutenant Tuvok : [to Chakotay]  Grand eloquence notwithstanding, that would qualify as a description of Mr. Kim.

Freya : Sleep does not come easily in this place. Not anymore. I was taught the world would end in winter. First there would be a desperate cold, followed by a demon who would devour the sun. It has been long since we felt summer, and a demon does walk these halls.

Freya : Speak as a friend or stand challenged!

Freya : [on a sub-arctic plant]  We brew the atuta into a broth which we drink before battle. It brings on the spirit of the bear and gives us strength to swing our swords.

The Doctor : It's more likely to bring on profuse sweating, convulsions and acute delirium.

Freya : Are you a master of herb-lore?

The Doctor : Well, in a way, I suppose I am.

Freya : You are truly a man of many talents, Lord Schweitzer. Your people must value you greatly.

The Doctor : You would think so.

Freya : Lord Schweitzer! We thought the Grendel had taken you.

The Doctor : Not... entirely.

Freya : It is said that fate often spares a doomed warrior, if his courage can prevail, but there have been days when I felt my own courage falter - and then you came.

The Doctor : I'm... glad I could help.

Freya : Our time of deliverance is at hand. We have been given a new champion! One who weapons cannot hurt. The one who will destroy Grendel and end our suffering. All hail the hero! All hail Schweitzer!

Freya : Fire is not the only heat, Lord Schweitzer. You know where I sleep.

The Doctor : I won't forget you.

Freya : Then I die happily... with your name on my lips. Farewell... Schweitzer.

[dies] 

Freya : You are brave men. I hope to see you again, Fate permitting.

Freya : [regarding Scyld the Gar-Dane, with relish]  I burned his hall to the ground. There was nothing left but ashes.

The Doctor : Charming.

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